German Confederation survives - Is Limburg Part of Germany?

After 1866 the Grand Duchies of Luxemburg and Limburg, both ruled by the King of the Netherlands, ceased to be part of the German confederation. Luxemburg continued to be seen as a separate state linked to Holland only in personal union, but Limburg was treated as an integral part of the Dutch kingdom.

WI the Confederation survives? Doesn't matter how - either success of the 1863 Congress or an Austrian win in 1866 will do. Does Limburg still go with the Netherlands when the Orange male line expires, or pass to the GD of Nassau along with Luxemburg? And has it any long term consequences?
 
You need a POD during the CoV or the Belgian revolution to have a German Limburg. After it is a bit hard but there is a couple TL that managed it.
 
You need a POD during the CoV or the Belgian revolution to have a German Limburg. After it is a bit hard but there is a couple TL that managed it.

Iirc it was in the 1839 Treaty settlement after the Belgian Revolution that Limburg was included in the GC. I just wondered how its status is sorted out if/when the GC bets tightened up into something more like a government. Do we get something like a Dutch "Schleswig-Holstein"?
 
Iirc it was in the 1839 Treaty settlement after the Belgian Revolution that Limburg was included in the GC. I just wondered how its status is sorted out if/when the GC bets tightened up into something more like a government. Do we get something like a Dutch "Schleswig-Holstein"?
S-H had separatism, Limburg people aren´t going to care enough if they are in the Netherlands instead of Belgium or Germany and vice versa.
Anyway I was referring at the Talleyrand plan, Prussia annexes it or part of it and it goes to the GC.
 
S-H had separatism, Limburg people aren´t going to care enough if they are in the Netherlands instead of Belgium or Germany and vice versa.

But will the Dutch and/or the Germans care?

I'm forseeing a future in which the GC has adopted a common military service law of some kind. Will they be willing to give Limburg an opt-out? Or will they insist on it sending its quota of national servicemen like all the other states? And how would the Dutch government react to that?
 
The thing about Limburg is that it was always an integral part of the Netherlands. It was before the Belgian revolt (when it wasn't part of the confedaration) and it was after the revolt, when it became part of the confederation, but only because half of Luxemburg left. It might have sent some delegates to the assembly, but in the Netherlands it was treated as a core part of the Netherlands, not (as with Luxemburg) as a seperate country in personal union with the Netherlands.

So in the end Limburg wouls always end up being part og the Netherlands and not being part of Germany. Mind you, when the North German confederation formed Bismarck (or some other German) asked for Limburg to join. The Dutch refused and that was it. So the Germans might want it, but the Dutch don't and the Germans don't care enough to do something about it. They could have attacked the Netherlands, like with Denmark, and annexed Luxemburg and Limburg, but they would have created an enemy and new ally to France. Something the Germans could not afford, no matter how irrelevant the Netherlands was in the 19th century.
 
But will the Dutch and/or the Germans care?

I'm forseeing a future in which the GC has adopted a common military service law of some kind. Will they be willing to give Limburg an opt-out? Or will they insist on it sending its quota of national servicemen like all the other states? And how would the Dutch government react to that?
Limburg is small compared to S-H, I don´t think neither of the 2 would want to fight over it(or at least to start on offensive war), Prussia would not want to fight the Netherlands as it could trigger French response and Britain hostility.

The thing about Limburg is that it was always an integral part of the Netherlands. It was before the Belgian revolt (when it wasn't part of the confedaration) and it was after the revolt, when it became part of the confederation, but only because half of Luxemburg left. It might have sent some delegates to the assembly, but in the Netherlands it was treated as a core part of the Netherlands, not (as with Luxemburg) as a seperate country in personal union with the Netherlands.

So in the end Limburg wouls always end up being part og the Netherlands and not being part of Germany. Mind you, when the North German confederation formed Bismarck (or some other German) asked for Limburg to join. The Dutch refused and that was it. So the Germans might want it, but the Dutch don't and the Germans don't care enough to do something about it. They could have attacked the Netherlands, like with Denmark, and annexed Luxemburg and Limburg, but they would have created an enemy and new ally to France. Something the Germans could not afford, no matter how irrelevant the Netherlands was in the 19th century.
Yep, plus is just not worth it.
 
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