German atom bomb after D-Day, irrelevant to the outcome of the war?

How in the name of God has this not been moved to ASB yet?

1) Have you reported it? The mods don't have time to read every single thread, and often wait until they get a report before taking action.

2) It sure borders on ASB, or may be over the edge. But if they replaced the V2 program with a bomb project and got insanely lucky, and concentrated on a single design that just happened to be the one within their capability, it's probably theoretically, barely possible that they might have a bomb before the end of the war. Maybe. By D-Day would be much, much tougher. If a mod says 'ASB', I'm not going to complain. But if the mods leave it here, I can live with that, too.
 
The casing, at least the shell, was a minimal part of the weight, the biggest mass was actually the tamper/neutron reflector assembly surrounding the smaller slug, where the reaction occurred, at 5,100 pounds. Most of the remaining mass (outside of the actual fissile materials which only massed around 100 pounds) was in the gun tube and other solid steel parts necessary to ensure proper alignment of the overall assembly. If you hard wire it into the aircraft you might get it down to 9,000 pounds, maybe a touch less.

That can get carried by an He-177
 
How in the name of God has this not been moved to ASB yet?

1) Have you reported it? The mods don't have time to read every single thread, and often wait until they get a report before taking action.

2) It sure borders on ASB, or may be over the edge. But if they replaced the V2 program with a bomb project and got insanely lucky, and concentrated on a single design that just happened to be the one within their capability, it's probably theoretically, barely possible that they might have a bomb before the end of the war. Maybe. By D-Day would be much, much tougher. If a mod says 'ASB', I'm not going to complain. But if the mods leave it here, I can live with that, too.

Is it formally possible that it is ASB when there is no statement on how to get there and the "thing" sure is possible?
I actually like that we sometimes make a rough separation of otherwise interlocked events. Try imagine you researched for 5 years on how the Germans might have gotten the bomb in 1944, only to find out it wouldn't make any difference:eek:.
Its OK to discuss it even if we don't see how we can get there. IMHO.
 
There is alot more dead in the war and the end is delayed for a abit.

When the end is clear I could see Hitler ordering a nuke in Berlin out of spite...
 
I'm gonna suspect they try to detonate one in London and Lenningrad. If they can make it to Moscow I suspect they would detonate one there too.

Once the allies get back and get revenge I could see the Germans ordering them to go off in cities like Paris, Prague, Warsaw, and ultimately Berlin.

Europe's tourism numbers will be practically nonexistent after the war and Stalin's going to get to rebuild a lot of cities in his image.
 
outcome of war?

if they detonated outside of Caen? and then were able to begin V-1 campaign per OTL?

hard to imagine Allies withdrawing but possible larger version of Anzio?

then does Operation Bagration begin? or would the Soviets turn cautious?
 

Asami

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On the Eastern front, leave a nuke in a major transportation hub just before Nazis retreat. A nuke could destroy all the bridges, rails and canals in one big BOOM, and leave the hub unpassable for decades.

Decades? Nah; early atomic weaponry wasn't that powerful. Even Hiroshima was mostly down to safe levels by the end of 1945, if I recall correctly.
 
It would be a groundburst detonation, not an airburst. Groundburst means a lot more fallout. See this app http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

There is absolutely no reason to groundburst here. There are no deep bunkers or nuclear hardened shelters.

Anyway, the Nevada Test site and Japan are examples that nuclear fallout aren't as bad as made out to be sure. Sure, you don't want it there but it's not going to put areas of land out of action for more than a few weeks unless you're talking dirty multi-megaton ground bursts.
 
There is absolutely no reason to groundburst here. There are no deep bunkers or nuclear hardened shelters.
Except that the scenario under discussion is for a (lightly) buried bomb, thus a ground-burst.
 
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trajen777

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The thing most people forget is that no one would know how many of these Hitler had -- example -- if one is exploded in USSR -- example Leningrad -- or another major Russian area -- and then Hitler said we well detonate a 2nd bomb in 30 days unless a ceasefire -- no one would have known how many he had or could make in x amount of time -- it is not like he would say we have 2 now and 1 more next week .,,

They could have announced it came from a V2 (when really dropped by a bomber and no one would have known ) --

So Allies call bluff and then London -- or Sevastopol or Smolensk etc are hit -- and most likely the Allies would have ceased fire - -

BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT HAVE KNOW WHAT THE DELIVERY SYSTEM WAS -- WEIGHT OF BOMB OR THE BOMB PRODUCTION SCHEDULE
 
The thing most people forget is that no one would know how many of these Hitler had -- example -- if one is exploded in USSR -- example Leningrad -- or another major Russian area -- and then Hitler said we well detonate a 2nd bomb in 30 days unless a ceasefire -- no one would have known how many he had or could make in x amount of time -- it is not like he would say we have 2 now and 1 more next week .,,

They could have announced it came from a V2 (when really dropped by a bomber and no one would have known ) --

So Allies call bluff and then London -- or Sevastopol or Smolensk etc are hit -- and most likely the Allies would have ceased fire - -

BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT HAVE KNOW WHAT THE DELIVERY SYSTEM WAS -- WEIGHT OF BOMB OR THE BOMB PRODUCTION SCHEDULE

Would the Nazi leadership have been rational enough to see a ceasefire as a winning condition though? Or would they have been emboldened enough by this wunderwaffen to try go for broke?

Hitler doesn't strike me as the settling type.
 
Would the Nazi leadership have been rational enough to see a ceasefire as a winning condition though? Or would they have been emboldened enough by this wunderwaffen to try go for broke?

Hitler doesn't strike me as the settling type
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Maybe not, but even with the bombs someone on the General Staff might do what needs to be done in that regard. Especially if THEY know there are no more bombs.
 
The thing most people forget is that no one would know how many of these Hitler had -- example -- if one is exploded in USSR -- example Leningrad -- or another major Russian area -- and then Hitler said we well detonate a 2nd bomb in 30 days unless a ceasefire -- no one would have known how many he had or could make in x amount of time -- it is not like he would say we have 2 now and 1 more next week .,,

They could have announced it came from a V2 (when really dropped by a bomber and no one would have known ) --

So Allies call bluff and then London -- or Sevastopol or Smolensk etc are hit -- and most likely the Allies would have ceased fire - -

BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT HAVE KNOW WHAT THE DELIVERY SYSTEM WAS -- WEIGHT OF BOMB OR THE BOMB PRODUCTION SCHEDULE
The Allies had pretty much the full specs for the V-2 shortly after it entered service and know how big an atom bomb will have to be, the physics are not that hard. They would know it would be delivered by bomber, even if they don't catch the bomber on Radar

There is a way to know how many bombs Hitler could have, the Allies had a very good idea of how much Uranium the Germans had (look at the size of the piles of tailings at Uranium mines). I believe but am not certain but the allies had aircraft that could detect the emissions from reactors, and get a count that way as well

Edit: 1943 they cobbled together a xenon detector and flew it over Germany, had a reactor been functioning they would have known. Luis Alvarez, one of the guys who came up with the Asteroid killed the dinosaurs theory was involved
 
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