German-American War

What if there was no World War I or World War II, let's say that the Archduke Ferdinand was never assasinated by a serbian. What if he lived and years later Germany's build up of her navy america saw as a threat. How would this affect the 20th century?A german american war? with the possibility that nations joined up into the war.
 
What if there was no World War I or World War II, let's say that the Archduke Ferdinand was never assasinated by a serbian. What if he lived and years later Germany's build up of her navy america saw as a threat. How would this affect the 20th century?A german american war? with the possibility that nations joined up into the war.

Those are a lot to consider. Super Power during WW1 was British Empire. If you consider that there was no WW1, the Kaiser would be ruling Germany. This would probably mean German scientists like Albert Einstein,etc. would remain in Germany.

It would be quite amusing to see how America would function technologically without influx of brilliant German-Jew Scientists to USA.

Although USA, would still retain economic supremacy by 1940s, the technological difference between OTL and this timeline will be significant.

It is quite possible that a Kaiser Germany would get the nuclear weapons first since it took a letter from Albert Einstein to convince USA government to pursue eventually the Manhattan project.
 
At what point are we envisioning a war? Without WW1, German capital ship production has to reach a plateau as they cannot continue to increase their fleet. But by this time they will be into replacing the older dreadnoughts with new fast battleships, so the effect may not be so obvious.

Are we looking at a battleship on battleship war, in which case until the HSF really gets High Seas capability, its not going to be a very wide-ranging war. IMHO, tho the US won't see a European-based German fleet as a threat.

Therefore, we are looking to a time period when the HSF is replacing its middle-aged dreadnoughts with longer-ranged fast battleships, and is also experimenting with aircraft carriers before the USA really begins to view them as a threat.

German global politics of course will play a part, as if German Empire gains and holds a pre-eminent position in the Ottoman Empire and comes to be a primary beneficiary of the oil wealth there, this is going to have a strategic impact on US thinking.

Allies also matter - will Germany look to Japan once the Anglo-Japanese accord breaks down? Thus the USA will begin to feel it has large and high-range fleets on both sides of its land mass.

Thus we could indeed see by the late 1930s a US feeling that the German-Japanese alliance is a threat, with Germany's longer-range fast battleships now the norm, only a very few of the WW1-era ships not having been replaced, and the experimental carriers of the early 1920s now replaced by purpose-built armoured deck fleet carrriers

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Kongzilla

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I think to have both sides see each other as a potential threat right from the beggining would involve Germany winning WW1 in 1918 and becoming the biggest economic player in Europe and maybe being able to Rival the USA.

Early cold war.
 

cavtrooper

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What if there was no World War I or World War II, let's say that the Archduke Ferdinand was never assasinated by a serbian. What if he lived and years later Germany's build up of her navy america saw as a threat. How would this affect the 20th century?A german american war? with the possibility that nations joined up into the war.

Conroy touched on this in "1901"A bit early,but still a great scenario.
 
There was a thread active until just 2 days before you posted this, called What if Imperial Germany invaded the US.

As that thread discusses, it would matter a whole lot WHERE the war happens.

If Germany invades the US, they get creamed, eventually, at least, and will be in a world of hurt later.

A naval war could go either way, partly depending on how the RN reacts.
 
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