German Allies after Nazi victory

I am really curious about what would happen with German allies(Finland, Romania, Croatia, etc.) if the Germans have won the Second world war?
 
It depends how total victory Axis has but probably Europe would be divided between sphere of influnces of Germany and Italy. So basically almost all other remaining nations are Germaqn or Italian puppets. But probably even Italy would gravitate under German influence but it depends what there will happen after Hitler's death.

And if Japanese Empire survives it would form its own sphere.
 
Let's say that in this Tl Germany managed somehow to defeat the Soviet, did not declared war on the Us and signed peace with the Uk. However, the German domination is limited only to Europe. I know that is very unrealistic, but it would use the Angloamerican - Nazi timeline as an inspitation.
 

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I am really curious about what would happen with German allies(Finland, Romania, Croatia, etc.) if the Germans have won the Second world war?

That mostly depends when and how Germany wins. Radical late war Nazi-Germany and early war Nazi-Germany would behave very differently.
 
Spain and Portugal might be (together) the ITTL version of Yugoslavia.

Other countries will be either
1 ) Italy. Second fiddle to Germany and mostly following German lead diplomatically, but proudly keeping as much independence as possible (for example, outright refusing to help in the Shoah), and Germans would have to accept it. Italy is the second biggest country of the Axis, in terms of population, industry, R&D, universities, military... and the oldest ally of Germany. So, Italy follows German diplomatical lead (in relations with the Anglo-Saxon powers at least), but Germany will still treat Italy with respect and not in a cavalier way (mostly).

Finland might be autonomous too, thanks to its geographical position and military power. Finland will likely have a non-agression pact with Germany, but not participate actively in the cold war with Anglo-Saxon powers (so if WWIII breaks out they'll sit it out, and everyone knows it), keeping cordial trade relations with both blocs, and getting closer to Sweden.

And as said, Spain and Portugal might do that too : be an Iberian bloc, neutral and trading with everyone, but economically leaning towards Germany.

2 ) Lesser allies (Romania and Hungary, mostly), that are more "satellite-allies".

3 ) Outright satellites, like Croatia, Vichy France, Slovakia, Denmark.
 
What about a surviving Vichy regime in France and even South American allies like Peron's Argentina?

I don't think anyone in South America would actually ally with Nazi Germany. The Reich, in this scenario, is limited to Europe (and in any scenario, would be limited to North Africa and maybe Near East at the very best), so no power projection in America. On the other hand, flirting too close with the Nazi bloc would get Latin American governments toppled by the OSS (or if really needed, outright invaded by the US Army).

Maintain a neutral and independent position, trading with both sides, but lean slightly towards the USA, that might be doable though. As long as the US can do business and are sure the country won't become a Nazi ally or forward base, they'll be happy.
 
Spain and Portugal might be (together) the ITTL version of Yugoslavia.

Other countries will be either
1 ) Italy. Second fiddle to Germany and mostly following German lead diplomatically, but proudly keeping as much independence as possible (for example, outright refusing to help in the Shoah), and Germans would have to accept it. Italy is the second biggest country of the Axis, in terms of population, industry, R&D, universities, military... and the oldest ally of Germany. So, Italy follows German diplomatical lead (in relations with the Anglo-Saxon powers at least), but Germany will still treat Italy with respect and not in a cavalier way (mostly).

Finland might be autonomous too, thanks to its geographical position and military power. Finland will likely have a non-agression pact with Germany, but not participate actively in the cold war with Anglo-Saxon powers (so if WWIII breaks out they'll sit it out, and everyone knows it), keeping cordial trade relations with both blocs, and getting closer to Sweden.

And as said, Spain and Portugal might do that too : be an Iberian bloc, neutral and trading with everyone, but economically leaning towards Germany.

2 ) Lesser allies (Romania and Hungary, mostly), that are more "satellite-allies".

3 ) Outright satellites, like Croatia, Vichy France, Slovakia, Denmark.

1. Italy would be pretty dependent about Germany. It might seem powerful but probably pretty much paper tiger. Its military forces are just joke and economy is not very great. And Mussolini's Italy actively helped Germans in Holocaust.

In Finland had already during the war much of German troops so there would be much of pressure towards government. Even in best case Finland would have same status as OTL Finland during Cold War. Formally neutral but still influenced by major nation.

Spain might be German leaned neutral and Portugal British leaned neutral.

2. Agree.

3. Agree altough it is too possible that Denmark would be annexed to Germany and same thing is possible with Norway too.
 
1. Italy would be pretty dependent about Germany. It might seem powerful but probably pretty much paper tiger. Its military forces are just joke and economy is not very great. And Mussolini's Italy actively helped Germans in Holocaust.

In Finland had already during the war much of German troops so there would be much of pressure towards government. Even in best case Finland would have same status as OTL Finland during Cold War. Formally neutral but still influenced by major nation.

Spain might be German leaned neutral and Portugal British leaned neutral.

2. Agree.

3. Agree altough it is too possible that Denmark would be annexed to Germany and same thing is possible with Norway too.
What are the chances Germany bullies Italy into giving up South Tyrol?
 
Grofaz might have let Hungary and Romania fight each other for all of Transylvania, because none of them was happy with the result of the second Vienna Award. Economically All the satellites would be dependent on Germany. Raw materials for manufactured goods. Italy might have a bone to save face.
 
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If you read the Hitler's plans for future world after the (certain) victory of Third Reich, there are a lot of information about it: of course it depends by how Hitler wins the war but in general Nazi plans weren't generous with (former) Axis allies. A great part of Balkans would be colonized, especially present day Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia (Belgrade had be renominate Prinz-Eugen-Stadt) and Hungary. Bulgaria and Romania could hope to remain untouched but Transylvania had to be recolonized by German colonists. The entire Danube Valley was considered by Hitler as the future German granary. Czechoslovakia had to be annexed by Third Reich, included the fascist Slovakia. Baltics and Ukranians, who collaborated with Nazis against Soviets, are condemned to be exterminated as all the Slavs. Portugal, Finland and Spain could survived as puppet states. Norway and Denmark, as all Scandinavia and Benelux countries, had to be annexed. Vichy France would have to give up a great part of its Northern Territory, as Brittany and Burgundy. Regarding the two most important German allies, Italy and Japan, Hitler was preparing a perfect stab in the back: Japan was the next enemy to destroy, the only superpower remained between Germany and the total Aryan domination, and its "Yellow Race" was a threat for Berlin. Italians and in general Latin People were considered an ancient enemy and an inferior race: South Tyrolo was a primary target and so the Northern Italy, ancient territory of Holy Roman Empire. Rome was also strongly linked with Catholicism and the Pope, that, in Hitler's plans, were destined to be suppressed and persecuted to favor a new Nazi-lead Neo-Pagan Aryan religion. Few countries could count on Hitler's mercy or indifference: among others, South America nations (a little of hostility due the presence of mixed race but especially indifference), Muslims countries (Hitler was incredibly friendly with the fascist Muslims and considered Islam more compatible with German Culture than Christianity), Native Americans (ya, it's a strange thing but Hitler was a great admirator of Native tribes, considered them as Aryans (?) and promised to return back their ancient lands), Iran and Afghanistan (Aryan nations of course).
 
The existence of a independent fascist Slovakia or the German colonization project about it?
About the second one, I can quote directly by Wikipedia:
"Although the official policy of the Nazi regime was in favour of an independent Slovak state dependent on Germany and opposed to any annexations of Slovak territory, Heinrich Himmler's SS considered ambitious population policy options concerning the German minority of Slovakia, which numbered circa 130,000 people.[11] In 1940, Günther Pancke, head of the SS RuSHA ("Race and Settlement Office") undertook a study trip in Slovak lands where ethnic Germans were present, and reported to Himmler that the Slovak Germans were in danger of disappearing.[11] Pancke recommended that action should be taken to fuse the racially valuable part of the Slovaks into the German minority and remove the Gypsy and Jewish populations.[11] He stated that this would be possible by "excluding" the Hungarian minority of the country, and by settling some 100,000 ethnic German families to Slovakia.[11] The racial core of this Germanization policy was to be gained from the Hlinka Guard, which was to be further integrated into the SS in the near future.[11]"

According to statistics, the First Slovak Republic had approximately two and a half million inhabitants. In 1950 the Hungarians were 10% of population, while Roma people were not counted. Almost 300 000 inhabitants, I guess, would have removed from Slovakia to be replaced by German families, so, if we considere German fertility plans, one hundred thousand means something near to a half a million of German settlers. Considering policies of assimilation, I can imagine easily Slovakia becoming a sort of colony, maybe with a only formal independence, but part of the Reich as Bohemia, Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Benelux. Slovakia was also a Clerical-Fascist Regime, strongly linked to a nationalist and anti-communist vision of Christian Catholicism, so it's probable a crackdown when Hitler will launch his crusade against Christianity: Hlinka Guard, the Slovakian branch of SS, will be put in power and will accelerate the assimilation process in the Great Reich.
 
Even Mussolini saw it: Nazi Germany's allies would be allied provinces, among Italy would be the most important one, nothing more. And they'd better not try to rock the boat, or they'd be turned into colonies, like Poland.
 
The Nazi had a lot of ideas. But they were willing to compromise and make stuff up sometimes. Like their Balkan allies actually being Aryans when it suited.

All the ideas about the Balkans seemed like second and third stages of colonisation. When it turns out that they are having trouble even settling Poland, let alone the vast open lands of Russia those ideas will be shelved. Instead they will end up as economic satellites being dictated from Berlin, but untouched by genocide or colonisation.
 
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