What might the implications be of George, duke of Clarence, avoiding his execution by malmsey wine (or at least the events leading thereto)? I assume he would be remembered as the evil uncle of the princes in the Tower rather than Gloucester.
So who are you naming in that role? Eleanor Talbot (alias Butler) is the woman usually suggested.Richard just mistakenly named Elinor Talbot as Edward's betrothed.
Pretty sure he gets offed at some point later by his brothers. As others have noted, he was simultaneously incredibly treacherous and incredibly incompetent. Either way, Richard would wipe the floor with him even if he somehow survived until Edward IV was dead.What might the implications be of George, duke of Clarence, avoiding his execution by malmsey wine (or at least the events leading thereto)? I assume he would be remembered as the evil uncle of the princes in the Tower rather than Gloucester.
Pretty sure he gets offed at some point later by his brothers. As others have noted, he was simultaneously incredibly treacherous and incredibly incompetent. Either way, Richard would wipe the floor with him even if he somehow survived until Edward IV was dead.
The only interesting scenario is if there's an earlier Lancastrian restoration attempt, he might be the Lancastrian claimant instead of Henry Tudor. It seems that Oxford's invasion in 1474 may have been an attempt to support a rebellion by Clarence that never materialized.
Pretty sure he gets offed at some point later by his brothers. As others have noted, he was simultaneously incredibly treacherous and incredibly incompetent. Either way, Richard would wipe the floor with him even if he somehow survived until Edward IV was dead.
Hard to say; I doubt Margaret of Anjou would be happy to cooperate with Clarence again (she had had to hold her nose the first time), but she may not have had any choice. Plus, I'm not sure what the terms of her ransom were, or even if she would be ransomed ITTL. She may not have been in a position to accomplish anything.This is for my tl, the Rose of Lancaster, and I was wondering if that invasion might be more possible with Marguerite d'Anjou (as the leader of the Lancastrians) and George as a second in command as the holder of the Warwick estates not in her daughter-in-law's possession.
As for Clarence and Gloucester teaming up, remember that they have property disputes, in addition to the more general trust issues (Richard had loyally accompanied his brother into exile, while George...had collaborated with the people who sent his brothers into exile). If he's still alive, George would be senior, which probably wouldn't go over well with Richard, who likely has a better powerbase. Besides, Richard will know exactly the sort of person George is, so probably won't trust him.
This is fair enough, but it seems to me that you're pretty clearly going to have the Woodvilles on one side and Clarence on the other. Gloucester has to choose one side or the other.