George III has no legitimate Grandkids

so what if Princess Charlotte lives longer, say to 1827 she has a few children that all die in birth or shortly there after, she dies in childbirth in 1827, her aged Uncles quickly marry but none are able to have children. what happens then? if deaths go they way they did in OTL the crown does this

George IV
William IV
Ernest Augustus I
Marry III
 
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i think i may of just gotten the German Personal union Wank happy meal! :) because no one else seemed to like this POD i looked into it, turns out that none of George III brothers had any kids which lead me to the line of his older sister Princess Augusta, and her son Frederick William (he's dead by the time of the POD) his sons Charles II, Duke of Brunswick, William, Duke of Brunswick both born before the POD, so it's a Hanover, Brunswick UK Personal Union, it gets better, both Charles II and William were Childless in OTL, so from William the throne passes (by way of Princess Augusta's daughter Duchess Augusta and her son William I of Württemberg) to the king of Württemberg, Charles I, who was also born pre-POD so in 1883 the Hanover, Brunswick UK Personal Union becomes Hanover Brunswick Württemberg UK Personal Union

so our Monarchs go as so
George IV of United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and Hanover 29 January 1820 – 26 June 1830
William IV of United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and Hanover 26 June 1830 – 20 June 1837
Ernest Augustus I of United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and Hanover 20 June 1837 — 18 November 1851
Marry III of United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland 18 November 1851- 30 April 1857
William I/II/V Duke of Brunswick 9 September 1830-18 October 1884 King of Hanover 18 November 1851-18 October 1884 King United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and Hanover and Brunswick 30 April 1857-18 October 1884
Charles I/IV/III King of Württemberg 25 June 1864- 6 October 1891 King United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and Hanover and Brunswick 18 October 1884-6 October 1891
 
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i think i may of just gotten the German Personal union Wank happy meal! :) because no one else seemed to like this POD i looked into it, turns out that none of George III brothers had any kids which lead me to the line of his older sister Princess Augusta

Hold it. Wouldn't the crown descend in the male line, where possible?

Let's see. George III had one male uncle, Prince William "Butcher" Cumberland. Cumberland seems never to have married.

Okay, brothers of George II? Huh, nary a one -- just princess Sophia.

Brothers of George I? Hah, he had *five*. Three died young -- 21, 29, and 33 -- and of the other two, at least one is confirmed childless. So, nobody from that branch?


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Hold it. Wouldn't the crown descend in the male line, where possible?
Not in the British succession. Male preference only among siblings - a daughter comes before a brother, a sister before an uncle or cousin.
 
Not in the British succession. Male preference only among siblings - a daughter comes before a brother, a sister before an uncle or cousin.

just so, also i should take Charles II off my list, it seems he was forced to abdicate in 1830 in the aftermath of the French Revolution of 1830, he was apparently corrupt and misguided, so it's unlikely he'd be given the throne in 1851/7
 
You can legitimise the children of the Duke of Sussex - he WAS married but it was in contravention of the Royal Marriages Act, so you can have parliament repeal that act or declare it invalid retrospectively.

Clarence's kids wouldn't count cos he never married his mistress

A final question would be to look into the circumstances/reasons for Cambridge's marriage as that may well have been personal rather than with any real dynastic considerations so might happen anyway in this scenario

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Grey Wolf
 
Eh, Ernest Augustus had legitimate male issue before this POD; the future George V was born around 1820 IIRC.
 
Eh, Ernest Augustus had legitimate male issue before this POD; the future George V was born around 1820 IIRC.

the POD is 1817, and given that Ernest Augustus had 3 kids and only one lived killing George V isn't unlikely
 
so what if Princess Charlotte lives longer, say to 1827 she has a few children that all die in birth or shortly there after, she dies in childbirth in 1827, her aged Uncles quickly marry but none are able to have children. what happens then? if deaths go they way they did in OTL the crown does this

George IV
William IV
Ernest Augustus I
Mary III



The POD is 1817, as in TTL Charlotte lives until 1827 and has multiple children, when in OTL she died in childbirth in 1817 as did the son she was carrying.
 
The POD is 1817, as in TTL Charlotte lives until 1827 and has multiple children, when in OTL she died in childbirth in 1817 as did the son she was carrying.

Exactly :)

Tis why I suggested my couple of thingies

Also, when did the last Duke of Gloucester die ?

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Grey Wolf
 
Ah.

In that case, why is there any neccessity that the Dukes of York or Kent die as they did historically? Kent died of pneumonia IIRC.
 
Ah.

In that case, why is there any neccessity that the Dukes of York or Kent die as they did historically? Kent died of pneumonia IIRC.

A fair point, and whilst unmarried in this timeline he may well still be alive when George IV dies

He probably won't last TOO long, but could eclipse Clarence so we get an Edward VII instead of a William IV

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Grey Wolf
 
William Frederick, 2nd Duke of Gloucester died in 1834. His sister, Sophia, died (unmarried & w/o children) in 1844. Gloucester's wife, his cousin, Mary III in TTL was already 40 when they married in 1816, and at the end of her "child bearing years." But what if, in 1817 or 18 she concieves and gives birth to a healthy son, named George of course. He would become George V when Mary III dies in 1857. I call this TL idea "Hope at the End of the Line".

FYI, according to wikipedia, the Duke of Sussex's son Augustus died in 1848, unmarried(?) and his daughter Augusta died, w/no children(?) in 1866.

Also, Edward, Duke of Kent was 2 years younger then the Duke of Clarence, so the succession would go to William first if William is alive when George IV dies as per OTL and then to Edward (VII).
 
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A fair point, and whilst unmarried in this timeline he may well still be alive when George IV dies

He probably won't last TOO long, but could eclipse Clarence so we get an Edward VII instead of a William IV

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Grey Wolf

Edward was William's younger brother (William 21 August 1765; Edward 2 November 1767) the Duke of York was a very unhealth man and would of been 65 at the George IV's death, so while Edward may live passed his OTL death in 1820, he'd be 69 at the death William IV,
 
Edward was William's younger brother (William 21 August 1765; Edward 2 November 1767) the Duke of York was a very unhealth man and would of been 65 at the George IV's death, so while Edward may live passed his OTL death in 1820, he'd be 69 at the death William IV,

Ah good point. I don't think he was a particuarly healthy man, in general, though so seems unlikely to outlive William IV.

Of course, IIRC Sussex wasn't a particuarly healthy guy either but lived long enough

Sorry I'm not being very useful in this thread - my memory is clearly not what it used to be

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Grey Wolf
 
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