Genuine Co-Prosperity Sphere

Loghain

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Okay is there any way to establish this ? Japanese would still of course be leader but in the same vein of United States and Nato.
So with Butterflies starting in 1900 is this possible to happen ?
 

Loghain

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Who are the members?

Id say most of the The Asia (southeast asia ? cant remember the geographical name) Bonus points for putting china in.
You dont have countries you need to have in the sphere just atleast 60% of countries should be in said sphere.
 
Id say most of the The Asia (southeast asia ? cant remember the geographical name) Bonus points for putting china in.
You dont have countries you need to have in the sphere just atleast 60% of countries should be in said sphere.
If China is in, and not some horrible balkanized hell hole, then it can't stay Japanese dominated.

Also welcome to the board!!!!.:)
 

Loghain

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If China is in, and not some horrible balkanized hell hole, then it can't stay Japanese dominated.

Also welcome to the board!!!!. :)

Thanks for welcome. Anyways you miseunderstood im aware of that Which is Why I Said Bonus points for putting china in. As that would take balkanisation. Or A miracle.

Thanks btw :) I lurked for sometime throught.
Not exactly newbie here
 
Okay is there any way to establish this ? Japanese would still of course be leader but in the same vein of United States and Nato.
So with Butterflies starting in 1900 is this possible to happen ?

It requires a drastic change in Japan's approach to foreign policy and their mindset towards fellow members. Then the other possible members need to become a bit more stable and in some cases not controlled by Western powers. You might be moving into the realm of ASB...
 

Loghain

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It requires a drastic change in Japan's approach to foreign policy and their mindset towards fellow members. Then the other possible members need to become a bit more stable and in some cases not controlled by Western powers. You might be moving into the realm of ASB...

which is why i said POD 1900 because afer WWI it might already be ASB. We are still at precipice in 1900 but didnt yet move into ASB IMHO
 
which is why i said POD 1900 because afer WWI it might already be ASB. We are still at precipice in 1900 but didnt yet move into ASB IMHO

The problem is that not only Japan needs to change, and those changes need to be pretty major.

More likely is that most parties join a trading bloc lead by Britain :)
 

Loghain

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The problem is that not only Japan needs to change, and those changes need to be pretty major.

More likely is that most parties join a trading bloc lead by Britain :)

we would need slighly different WWI and massively different Postwar and stuff. still it might be possible
 
Maybe the US doesn't mediate the peace between Russia and Japan after the Russo-Japanese War, resulting in a full Japanese occupation in Manchuria. Hardliner military members gaining power gets butterflied as a result (the whole, "we won but the foreign barbarians thwarted our victory so we need to be stronger") and instead we may see some Pan-Asian supporters in the government?
 
The obvious ones besides Japan are Thailand and Vietnam - the latter especially if Japan aids them in gaining independence. With an earlier POD, maybe the Philippines if the US colonial venture can be avoided. Beyond that - depends on Japan.

I once did an abortive TL where the background was China went Axis and Japan took the opportunity presented by siding with the Allies. The upshot was a Soviet-dominated Western China and an Eastern China as part of the Co-Prosperity Sphere...and with its economy dominated by Japanese zaibatsu.
 
Since Japan had, up until the war, basically only attacked and annexed independent states (The Ainu, Ezo, Korea, Okinawa) outside of a opportunistic war against the Germans in WWI, they would need... I don't no, a facelift. There just aren't indepdent states left to become partners, while militarists would likely be chauvinistic from the areas they 'liberated' (not even conquered, in the case of Indo-China) from Europeans. I would say that giving promises for aotonomy us asked by I governments they moved in on and supporting independence movements might help, but it would take a change of additude among the Japanese. Maybe changes to the Phillipines would also help, so it either has an insurgency to back, or it has its government independent sooner.
 

Fenestella

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Japanese back then considered themselves the Herrenvolk. Some say they considered the Koreans and some other Northern Asiatics honorary Herrenvolk.
 
Japanese back then considered themselves the Herrenvolk. Some say they considered the Koreans and some other Northern Asiatics honorary Herrenvolk.
Originally there was attempts made to integrate Koreans and to have them change their names to Jaoanese one's, but they changed course and forced them to change them back. If Hawaii was independent I can see it jointing the GEACPS, if only because it had so many Japanese people and a monarchy that would be reliant upon the Japanese. Better yet, wearing European styled regalia. I imagine they having Fiji and Tonga as independent, so they could have the royals for these areas, both in European style silk and diamonds, and in native dress, to show off how many diverse allies Japan has. Like how the lords of Satsuma had the delegations from the Ryukyu islands dress in their own clothing, so they could gloat to the other daimyos that they had a kingdom as their tributaries.
 
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