General Precolonial Philippines Ideas Thread

What about the Philippine languages retaining their intelligibility to each other, the Philippine languages are at least 40-60 intelligibility when the Spanish came..
 
This requires more interaction from the people, probably through trade.
The latest POD would be that the Hindus and the rebels kick off the Spanish from Northern Luzon instead of the Spanish genociding them due to artificial famine and blockade but that would mean large parts of the Philippines go to the Ming loyalists.
 
The latest POD would be that the Hindus and the rebels kick off the Spanish from Northern Luzon instead of the Spanish genociding them due to artificial famine and blockade but that would mean large parts of the Philippines go to the Ming loyalists.

Thanks for giving me a sinicized Luzon POD. :p
 
Thanks for giving me a sinicized Luzon POD. :p
The hindus and rebels will take control of the Northern Half of Luzon in that scenario, the areas loyal to the Spanish go to the Ming Loyalists or Chinese Pirates perhaps except for the parts that gets conquered by Sultan Kudarat, that is what I think would happen also if the Muslims remain in Northern Luzon, a random chinese pirate can later uproot the Spanish in Southern Luzon and Visayas also..
 
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The hindus and rebels will take control of the Northern Half of Luzon in that scenario, the areas loyal to the Spanish go to the Ming Loyalists or Chinese Pirates perhaps except for the parts that gets conquered by Sultan Kudarat, that is what I think would happen also if the Muslims remain in Northern Luzon, a random chinese pirate can later uproot the Spanish in Southern Luzon and Visayas also..

So the Ming survivors make Manila their (temporary) capital, then? And north Luzon becomes more Indianized. Interesting.
 
So the Ming survivors make Manila their (temporary) capital, then? And north Luzon becomes more Indianized. Interesting.
Or rather remains 'Indianized' but the Catholics and Hindus in the North can convert to Protestantism.

Actually, the Ming really prefer Manila and Southern Luzon as their hide out rather than Taiwan, in this scenario the Qing would not even conquer Taiwan due to Taiwan being abandoned by the Ming.
 
Or rather remains 'Indianized' but the Catholics and Hindus in the North can convert to Protestantism.

Or a syncretic Hindu-Catholicism.

Actually, the Ming really prefer Manila and Southern Luzon as their hide out rather than Taiwan, in this scenario the Qing would not even conquer Taiwan due to Taiwan being abandoned by the Ming.

Manila is more strategic than Taiwan, so it makes sense.

So Taiwan is open for Spanish/Dutch colonization?
 
Or a syncretic Hindu-Catholicism.



Manila is more strategic than Taiwan, so it makes sense.

So Taiwan is open for Spanish/Dutch colonization?
The thing is the Catholics might break from the pope causing it to be target of Protestant missions similar to Manado and Ternate who expelled the Spanish.

Yes, Taiwan will be open to Spanish/Dutch colonization ITTL.
 
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The thing is the Catholics might break from the pope causing it to be target of Protestant missions similar to Sulawesi and Ternate.

Depends on the timing, IMO. And also who gets Taiwan. If the natives retreated to the mountains, then the missionaries will have some hard times.
 
Depends on the timing, IMO. And also who gets Taiwan. If the natives retreated to the mountains, then the missionaries will have some hard times.
I think the Catholics in the northern lowlands who rebelled might convert to Protestantism due to their Hindu compatriots not wanting any ties with the Spanish like what the people of Manado did.

The hindus will not retreat to the mountains since they are numerous ITTL.
 
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Speaking of the Southern Ming Conquers Philippines scenario,
Where would Han Chinese settlers go to in the kingdom? I assume that manchu racist discrimination would encourage some people to flee.
I expect them to colonize Sabah if the region is conquered (although that's in Borneo, not the Philippines).
 
Speaking of the Southern Ming Conquers Philippines scenario,
Where would Han Chinese settlers go to in the kingdom? I assume that manchu racist discrimination would encourage some people to flee.
I expect them to colonize Sabah if the region is conquered (although that's in Borneo, not the Philippines).

In Manila and Visayas where the chinese already live, that is why I say that the area will be part of the Southern Ming controlled area, the Primarily Non-Chinese parts like Northern Luzon will be out of reach to the Southern Ming, since those areas (re)establish their own government/kingdom(s) once the Spanish are expelled, I think those kingdoms will ally with the Southern Ming temporarily to ward off the Spanish completely, especially the Hindus and Rebel Christians in the North.

I think that would happen as well if the Muslims control Northern half of Luzon as well if Ming still falls..the Southern Half would go to Ming or Chinese pirates as well..from the Spanish.
 
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The Spanish colonization of the Philippines is a cliche in many TL's but it is more ASB in other scenarios due to Lakandula aiding the Spanish in OTL.
 
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