In a no-spanish philippines TL with a pod just before or around of magellan's time, Saludang or Selurong should be the name of Luzon.
Greek traders did reach the islands in 21 AD. But have the same Chinese "sickness" of not parting or imparting technology with the locals in OTL.
Source : Felix Regalado and Quentin B. Franco, History of Panay (Ilo-ilo City Central Philippines University , 1973 ed., Eliza B. Grimo, p. 78.)
In a no-spanish philippines TL with a pod just before or around of magellan's time, Saludang or Selurong should be the name of Luzon.
But that's just the name of the Kingdom of Manila.
Also, Luzon probably wouldn't even be a unified state in this TL. Besides, it wasn't even the Spanish who first called the island Luzon.
Actually, the wheel and other technology did not apply to Luzon due to the most of the urban population living beside the river, so did Mindanao and for Visayas, the transportation was beside the river, Luzon under Javanese influence before the Bruneian invasion, since a lot of the population in Luzon was decimated in the Pinatubo eruption, the Islamic converts could multiply if given time, but the Spanish invaded before Islam became accepted in Luzon(since at that time there are still a lot of people against it) and before it can recover from the destruction brought by the Pinatubo eruption.
I think Islam would do wonders for both Luzon and Mindanao since it would encourage population increase and urbanization which would cause technologies to be actually used.
Ok, who can go to Iloilo and go to CPU to find the book and get more info?
This is interesting and at a such an early period of our history. It even mentioned it on Wikipedia.
Anyway please elaborate more. This is mind-boggling and and the "what ifs" and "butterflies" would be massive on proto-Philippines.
I believe the problem here is time and resistance. You need Islam to be present earlier than 1400s. Plus, the Hindu kingdoms would resist. The Visayans were successful resisting while grip on Luzon wasnt really 100%.
Enough time for the Europeans to arrive. Besides the Islamic engineering technology that Brunei will impart will just be enough until 1600s. After that unless somehow Islam has some sort of revival PoD, technology will stagnate compared to Europe.
I'm making a rough draft for a Mongol Philippines TL. Can you give some inputs, guys?
I believe the problem here is time and resistance. You need Islam to be present earlier than 1400s. Plus, the Hindu kingdoms would resist. The Visayans were successful resisting while grip on Luzon wasnt really 100%.
Enough time for the Europeans to arrive. Besides the Islamic engineering technology that Brunei will impart will just be enough until 1600s. After that unless somehow Islam has some sort of revival PoD, technology will stagnate compared to Europe.
If you cannot borrow or read from the National Library or the local library can purchase it online and have it delivered at your doorstep.
Shouldnt be mind blogging since that information was available since 1973. Our Barangays/Barrios were also somewhat similar to Greek City States in organization. There was also a very high literacy rate among locals (than Europe) before the Spanish came although not Greek but Baybayin(Brahmic scripts). Sexual tolerance like polygamy or Equal status of women.
The advancements of the locals were not that useful in fighting any invader from Islam to the Spanish since they were social/cultural advancements.
But with regards to engineering advancements the locals where not really at par with China or Europe.
I was scrolling through youtube and I found this video about proto-Philippines. Their is a lot of interesting information about Ancient Philippines, its interactions with SEA.
Question, the video talks about the "Kingdom of Luzon." Is he referring to Tondo, the polity?
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BTW, what do think about this idea as well.
So for brainstorming, what would be a good names for a ATL United Philippines?
I think this is a far fetched idea but what about the possibility of Filipino seafarers discovering the Americas before Columbus by getting shipwrecked into California?
So for brainstorming, what would be a good names for a ATL United Philippines?
I think this is a far fetched idea but what about the possibility of Filipino seafarers discovering the Americas before Columbus by getting shipwrecked into California?
What if the Philippines is part of the Sinosphere?
You forgot the Huangdom of Pangasinan, though.It was to some small extent, albeit on the periphery. Make southern China more mercantile and navy-oriented than it already was, and you can get the Duchy of Mayi.
Well, personally I doubt if she really exists, Anyway, being a semi-Sinicized kingdom, I expect the rulers of Pangasinan wearing a mix of tropicalized version of Hanfu and pre-Hispanic Philippine clothing.^ Does she really exist?
^ Does she really exist?
Well, personally I doubt if she really exists, Anyway, being a semi-Sinicized kingdom, I expect the rulers of Pangasinan wearing a mix of tropicalized version of Hanfu and pre-Hispanic Philippine clothing.
Can't happen unless *Philippines is actually the center of a seafaring kingdom and not a scattered bunch of small polities and tribes. It'd probably be *Chinese in nature.
It was to some small extent, albeit on the periphery. Make southern China more mercantile and navy-oriented than it already was, and you can get the Duchy of Mayi.
You forgot the Huangdom of Pangasinan, though.
(Oh, I imagine the legendary Princess Urduja wearing a mix of Hanfu and proto-baro't saya)
^ Does she really exist?
Well, personally I doubt if she really exists, Anyway, being a semi-Sinicized kingdom, I expect the rulers of Pangasinan wearing a mix of tropicalized version of Hanfu and pre-Hispanic Philippine clothing.
Nah, it's probably just misinterpretation of Ibn Batutta's stuff.
A more Sinicized *Philippines does not necessarily mean unification, but one would think Sinicization would help with it, looking at Vietnam. Ma-i and Pangasinan may well become parts of a single state, or something. Though pre-Hispanic chronology is a bit vague, from what I've read.