General Precolonial Philippines Ideas Thread

Update: This link is one of the examples why proto-Philippine language is relatively difficult to reconstruct.

Actually, it is obvious that the Visayans were not even culturally connected to the Javanese/Majapahit...both linguistic similarities and archeological artefacts attach Luzon to Majapahit...
 
I say let the Mongols burn the entire archipelago. The survivors will band together to throw the barbaric hordes back to the sea.

There, easiest way to unite the entire OTL Philippine Islands into a single nation. :p
 
I say let the Mongols burn the entire archipelago. The survivors will band together to throw the barbaric hordes back to the sea.

There, easiest way to unite the entire OTL Philippine Islands into a single nation. :p

Actually, the real answer is for Sri Vijaya not to decline since the archipelago is influenced by Sri Vijaya but Northern Luzon(Luzon North of Metro Manila) will remain in Javanese orbit and inner Mindanao would also have a different orientation..
 
I say let the Mongols burn the entire archipelago. The survivors will band together to throw the barbaric hordes back to the sea.

There, easiest way to unite the entire OTL Philippine Islands into a single nation. :p

Ah, but the pagans of the Visayas would react differently to the Muslims of Sulu, because both have far more parochial concerns.
 
Guys, what possible PoD for the Malay speakers to migrate to, let's say, OTL Bulacan-Manila-Cavite region, and their language to be influenced by Austronesian/Philippine focus and peppered by specific pan-Philippine words?
 
Guys, what possible PoD for the Malay speakers to migrate to, let's say, OTL Bulacan-Manila-Cavite region, and their language to be influenced by Austronesian/Philippine focus and peppered by specific pan-Philippine words?

Chams and Javanese are more possible.
 
I was watching Jumong a decade ago..I was wondering why did not any Kingdom or Polity in the Prehispanic Luzon try to liberate the island from the Bruneians after the conquest of Manila by Sultan Bolkiah and establish an Empire like Jumong of Goguryeo..
 
I was watching Jumong a decade ago..I was wondering why did not any Kingdom or Polity in the Prehispanic Luzon try to liberate the island from the Bruneians after the conquest of Manila by Sultan Bolkiah and establish an Empire like Jumong of Goguryeo..

Someone probably did, but failed miserably.
 
I was watching Jumong a decade ago..I was wondering why did not any Kingdom or Polity in the Prehispanic Luzon try to liberate the island from the Bruneians after the conquest of Manila by Sultan Bolkiah and establish an Empire like Jumong of Goguryeo..

because they were all too weak. remember, small barangays were the norm.
 
I forgot to tell that Pinatubo erupted and decimated a part of Luzon's population between the begining of 16th century and the end of the 15th Century, I think having the muslim converts multiply like rabbits repopulate Luzon would make a good TL.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_the_Philippines#Disputed_names

This is a far fetched POD, perhaps ASB. WI if we could actually get Greek Traders and/or explorers who want to learn more about the island South of China that Ptolemy described as "Maniolas" or OTL Luzon and Baroussai or OTL Visayas and Mindanao. They could utilize this route but get blow off course by a storm to the Philippines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rajendra_map_new.svg

Now what if these Greek traders managed to visit the islands after the death of Ptolemy. How could we imagine them, carrying the goods and knowledge of the Western world impact the islands during the 3rd onward.

Perhaps we could go for a later date when the city-states were more established on the islands and Byzantine traders arrive on the islands before the Fall of Byzantium?
 
Now what if these Greek traders managed to visit the islands after the death of Ptolemy. How could we imagine them, carrying the goods and knowledge of the Western world impact the islands during the 3rd onward.

Perhaps we could go for a later date when the city-states were more established on the islands and Byzantine traders arrive on the islands before the Fall of Byzantium?

Greek traders did reach the islands in 21 AD. But have the same Chinese "sickness" of not parting or imparting technology with the locals in OTL.

Source : Felix Regalado and Quentin B. Franco, History of Panay (Ilo-ilo City Central Philippines University , 1973 ed., Eliza B. Grimo, p. 78.)
 
A good idea that I've never seen in any Filipino/Southeast Asian ATL?

Having Negritos actually engage various states and idk actually have a role other than a quick mention if the writer is feeling generous. Negritos Highland state anyone?
 
Greek traders did reach the islands in 21 AD. But have the same Chinese "sickness" of not parting or imparting technology with the locals in OTL.

Source : Felix Regalado and Quentin B. Franco, History of Panay (Ilo-ilo City Central Philippines University , 1973 ed., Eliza B. Grimo, p. 78.)

Actually, the wheel and other technology did not apply to Luzon due to the most of the urban population living beside the river, so did Mindanao and for Visayas, the transportation was beside the river, Luzon under Javanese influence before the Bruneian invasion, since a lot of the population in Luzon was decimated in the Pinatubo eruption, the Islamic converts could multiply if given time, but the Spanish invaded before Islam became accepted in Luzon(since at that time there are still a lot of people against it) and before it can recover from the destruction brought by the Pinatubo eruption.

I think Islam would do wonders for both Luzon and Mindanao since it would encourage population increase and urbanization which would cause technologies to be actually used.
 
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Greek traders did reach the islands in 21 AD. But have the same Chinese "sickness" of not parting or imparting technology with the locals in OTL.

Source : Felix Regalado and Quentin B. Franco, History of Panay (Ilo-ilo City Central Philippines University , 1973 ed., Eliza B. Grimo, p. 78.)

Can you elaborate on this? This is an interesting find.
 
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