General Precolonial Philippines Ideas Thread

If the Spanish never arrive, Luzon would continue to Islamize, I just imagine that muslim missionaries would reach ryukyu and Kyushu..

The former Islamic parts of Luzon is the one that Christianized, the Pagan/Hindu parts resisted until they got decimated by famine and plague in the late 17th to mid 18th century, the same famine also affected the Kapampangan and Ibanag population.
 
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I learned that Sambali or Zambales aside from Selurong is one of the possible names of Northern Luzon due to the Sambali festival from Piat, Sambals, Sanfotsi being derived from Sambali..aside from Selurong..perhaps Sambali can get associated to Hindus while Selurong can get associated with Muslims.
 
I had an idea of a timeline that has a number of PODs that altered Philippine history. The main ones was Islam failing to spread to Zoroastrian Persia and thus India, and Srivijaya either not collapsing and in fact centralize or fall later but with a Hindu-Buddhist kingdom taking its place.
 
I had an idea of a timeline that has a number of PODs that altered Philippine history. The main ones was Islam failing to spread to Zoroastrian Persia and thus India, and Srivijaya either not collapsing and in fact centralize or fall later but with a Hindu-Buddhist kingdom taking its place.
Why don't make a world-encompassing timeline from it?
 
From what I read that the Portuguese were sending missions to the Japanese since 1540's and the Muslims had already converted up to Aparri in the Philippines in 1570's but not inland.

What would be the effects of a no Spanish Philippines on Japan and the other Asian countries, since the Muslims on the Philippines would continue to interact with the Wukou or the Japanese pirates..would there be a muslim expansion to Japan or Ryukyu or there would be more Hui in Taiwan and Ryukyu?

I am thinking on that since it is the premise of my no-Spanish Philippines

https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/magellan-remains-a-philippines-timeline.430232/
 
HMMM how about if that Chinese pirate dude (cant remember name) made the Philippines his permanent base and proceeded to subjugate the Isles. Of course, some sort of cultural merger makes everything better. Some Hindu and Japanese syncretism would be good too. some sort of Viking Philippines would be grand. the marvels of Chinese civilization with some good old Polynesian spices and just a dash of other random things
 
The real plan of Limahong was to get Manila, a good pod would be having Tarik Sulayman win against the Spanish in this case the Spanish would not be able to occupy the coasts of Northern Luzon like they are never able to get a chance to get Brunei, Tarik and his allies would establish his sultanate in the north.

Killing Lakandula before the Spanish came would result in Spanish only getting Manila.
 
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Hmmmm ... who wants to flesh this out? i suggest a collaborative writing project. I, frankly, lack the time to get started on something as new as this. But I can promise all the aid my ever lesser free time will allow.
 
Hmmm i was thinking of creating story out of this from modern historians' POVs with snippets directly from important characters throughout history, even if such characters arent seen as important by TTL historians. Someone/s with considerable literary skills should take the helm while we could bandy about logistics, psychological development, and the overall minutia of the plot.
Fuck it, lets go full ASB and set the Butterfly Net on fire.
I always wanted something like this.
If for no other reason than that I already have a clothing trend up and about in my ever bored head.
Besides, precolonial Philippines was surprisingly progressive in regards to women. Not to mention the hilarious amount of gold.
 
I know this is quite cranky, but how about a people speaking a direct descendant of proto-Philippine language ended up in a region consists of OTL provinces of Bulacan, Manila and Cavite.

And also, the ancestors of Tausug people ended up settling in the area near the Butuanons, most specifically OTL eastern Misamis Oriental.

How time flies, indeed: After a post on "Explain the AH Quote" thread and the series on "List of monarch thread", I'm now developing and writing my current scenario "Mutia nan Katimuran". However, because of my current RL job and its relatively hectic schedule, I found a very little time writing and posting.

(Well, I currently writing Book III of my scenario in the Test Messages Thread, in a rate of two updates and five days a week; however, because of some unexpected RL circumstances, mostly related to computer, the updates will remain irregular until such circumstance was solved.)
How time flies once again...

Currently, my test thread is approaching the end of its third chapter, and the timeline proper (Mutia nan Katimuran, Book II) is ongoing. Currently, I'm writing four to five times a week for the test thread, mostly four, while before I post in the TL proper, I revised what I wrote in the test thread and, mostly, write some new material before I definitely posted it.

Such routine of writing that I'm currently doing was inspired by the workload of Brazilian telenovela writers.
 
I actually forgot to say Northern Luzon could have ended in Portugal's lap if they did not make peace with Brunei regarding Tondo...and accept Islam in the lowlands..

In that scenario we would not even have Igorots except for Kalinga/Bontoc and Ilongots.

That is what I am exploring in my new TL..
 
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So if we have a TL where Japan (more stable and expansionistic) advances along the Kuriles/Kamchatka/Alaska route to colonise the New World (for whatever reason, and they eventually reach down to Vancouver Island and the Pacific Northwest), and China is divided and a faction of the Chinese are open to trying to counter Japan here, is Manila Bay/northern Luzon directly in the path of China unlike OTL? Spain certainly found Manila a vital seaport to traversing the Pacific, and here China has a lot more reason to focus their influence before they permanently subjugate local rulers. China would love a way to visit California (and the goldfields) without going with the Japanese/North Asian currents which leave them vulnerable to the Japanese.

And centuries after China subjugates this area, how "Sinic" is Luzon? Would they use an indigenous script like they had or have invented a Sinic script descendent (like Japan) to write their language? I do like how in any TL (even our own), the Philippines can easily be a wildcard for the region.
 
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