General Alyskan Navy Thread

[Count of Crisco]

The final evolution of the 1900 pattern battleship which began with the Sword class would be the two ships of the Shield class, Shield and Rampart. These ships would come in at just over sixteen thousand tons, keeping the same range, armament, and speed as the prior Javelins but increasing armor to three hundred millimeters max down to one hundred millimeters on the belt. Internal subdivision would also be increased to a significant degree and they would also be the first Alyskan battleships to have electrically trained turrets.

Initially in keeping with the 1900 naval act it had been intended to build three ships of the class, to be Shield, Rampart and Defense. However the opposition faction in the government balked at the increasing costs of the program and refused to fund all three, initially only agreeing to a single battleship to be a repeat of the Javelin. Even the direct intervention of king Francis I could only get a second ship added to the order of a slightly improved design. This refusal to fund the navy, even on the justification of decreasing tensions, would wind up costing the opposition party dearly in the 1905 elections, effectively ending their ability to interfere in the military budgets for the next five years.

The ships served as flagships for the first and second battle divisions during the first half of the second Patagonian war, later being joined into a reworked first division with the two Monarch class ships in 1908. In this squadron they participated in the battles of Buenos Aires, Rio, and the storming of the delta. Rampart taking multiple shell hits in these battles but her armor held up. She suffered only minor damage in these battles and would even survive a torpedo hit in the storming of the delta. Shield would catch fire during the battle, and would even be evacuated. But at the insistence of her first officer she was reboarded and the fires brought under control.

Post war the ships would be rerated as coastal defense ships in 1912 along with the rest of the fleet of older predreadnoughts. Both ships spent considerable time in Patagonian waters defending the region against the Argentine, Brazilian and Chilean dreadnought battleships which began entering service shortly after the end of the war. The ships would be sold to the kingdom of the Platte in 1924 following the signing of the Washington Naval treaty. Renamed La Plata and Uruguay the ships served as the sole Plattean battleships throughout the interwar and third Patagonian war. Both ships would be lost during the war. La Plata sinking early in the war when a Brazilian cruiser and destroyer force caught her in the early morning. Uruguay lasted until 1940 when she was sunk by Argentine aircraft.

 

[Count of Crisco]

So I have a few ships to come but have begun redrawing every battleship after 1919 as I didn't like their looks. That means I have five classes left. I am also drawing the Alyskan cruiser line before the that so I will likely do a return to other nations ships.

Which country should I do some posts on?

 

[CV(N)-6]

Which country should I do some posts on?

How about the South American countries Alyska fought wars with to give us a good idea of what the ships are up against?

 

[Count of Crisco]

How about the South American countries Alyska fought wars with to give us a good idea of what the ships are up against?

I can do that. Some Chilean ships may be in order.

 

[Count of Crisco]

Historically Argentina and Chile had little to do with one another. Although they shared an incredibly long border by European standards their border was the monstrously imposing Andes mountain range which generally precluded much in the way of interaction. The fact they were on opposite sides of the continent and bordered opposite oceans did not help matters either. In fact the two countries did not diplomatically recognize eachother until the 1830s, over a decade after they both achieved independence officially from Spain in the 1820s.

Nonetheless by the last quarter of the nineteenth century both nations had begun to enter into contest with one another in the southern cone. Moving into Patagonia, Tierra del Fuego and Meggalania each nation sought to claim the region for themselves. This would lead to the first Patagonian war in 1887 where both nations began fighting one another over control of the region, as well as attempting to oust the kingdom of Alyska from their colony in the region which dated from the 1790s. This war would end in an Alyskan victory following the deployment of significant Alyskan naval forces in the region which allowed the kingdom to dominate the region and even extend its claims into the interior.

This did not sit very well with either nation. But resentment would simmer without hope of resolve as both nations moved onto more direct competition. Chile would fight a civil war in 1891, and later both Argentine and Chile began an arms race with one another which saw both nations greatly expand the sizes of their respective navies. With Chile buying a pair of battleships, and Argentine acquiring several armored cruisers. British attempts to put an end to this race ended without result with their sponsoring of talks collapsing in disarray.

Both states remained antagonistic towards one another until the British and Alyska mutually recognized the others territorial claims in the region. With Britain recognizing Maggalania as an Alyskan territory while the kingdom in turn recognized the British claim to the Falkland islands. Over the following months France, Russia, and the United States would all follow British suite and accept Alyska's claim over the region in difference to Argentine and Chilean claims. This caused an uproar in both republics and seemed to immediately end the tense relationship both nations had previously had. Indeed in 1897 both nations began secret treaty negotiations with one another to form an alliance planning future war against Alyska to reclaim what both nations saw as their natural territory.

The treaty, secretly agreed by both nations presidents and top military commanders circumventing their governments, was signed in 1899 and involved three main points.
1) Chile and Argentina agreed to split what they termed lower Patagonia between themselves along longitudinal lines. Any Alyskan settlements were to be expelled. Both nations agreed to support one another in the event either went to war against external nations (not those in South America)
2)Chile and Argentina agreed to support several other territorial claims of the other. Notably Chile agreed to support the Argentine claims on the Falklands while Argentina agreed to support the Chilean Tanca-Arica border dispute with Peru and their disputes with Bolivia.
3)Chile and Argentina both agreed to expand their armies and navies to significant degrees in order to jointly retake their lost territories.

Talks dragged on until the treaty was accepted in 1899 in an understanding between the leaders of both nations. It was planned to keep the document secret, however less than a month after both nations made the agreement the Chilean president Phillipe Carugno accidentally let slip the treaties existence to the Chilean Senado while in session after being accused of weakness in regards to his cooling of relations with Argentina. While the political fallout at home would see Carugno resign in disgrace the international reaction would have far reaching consequences.

 

[Count of Crisco]

Figured it was time for some background to the war. Basically the wars revolve around the fact that Spain claimed the region prior to Argentine and Chilean independence and the fact that Alyska had settlements in the region prior to Alyskan and Argentine independence. Alyska claims the region as they have enjoyed defacto control for a century plus by the time of the first war, while Chile and Argentina see them as squatters on their land which predate their existence by half a century or more.

 

[Count of Crisco]

The alliance between Chile and Argentina caught the Brazilian empire totally off guard. Having endured a difficult decade and a half full of internal conflict including two coups, one by the military and the other by the government, a brief civil war, a slave revolt, and foreign intervention in the country by a joint Anglo-Alyskan mission, and the death of emperor Pedro II in a bombing the empire's fortunes seemed to be finally on the rise. Its economy was booming thanks to high demand for rubber, land redistribution programs were making good progress, and faith in emperor Afonso, who had married a Weston-Orange princess, was high among the common people.

The imperial navy, small but modern in 1890, was by 1900 increasingly outdated and backwards. Several of its ships even needed to be scrapped due to neglect, cutting back the fleets strength even further. A modest expansion had been started in 1898 which saw Brazil order a pair of coastal defense ships, the Deodoro class, a quartet of modern cruisers of the Almirante Barroso class, and finally a quartet of destroyers of the Tupi class. This plan aimed to give the navy rough parity with the Argentine fleet which was seen as the most likely opponent for the imperial navy. Further ships were in the early stages of development which would have countered the purchase of four large armored cruisers by Argentina, but the revelation of the alliance between Argentina and Chile immediately threw these plans into chaos as, while the empire could build to match anything Argentina or Chile produced on their own, it could not hope to match both nations combined.

A key element of the treaty was that both republics would come to defend one another in the event of war, and also support eachother in their border disputes with their neighbors. Argentina and Brazil had many such disputes across their long shared border and it seemed likely that Argentina would exploit this clause of the treaty to launch an attack against the empire with forces it could not hope to match.

In the eyes of many in the imperial leadership what Brazil needed was a powerful ally to counteract the combined power of the two republics to its south. And so, with the approval of the emperor, feelers were sent out to many nations.

 

[Count of Crisco]

For its part the kingdom of Alyska had watched the budding friendship between Argentina and Chile with growing alarm. Its fleet was constructed primarily towards defending its home shores, with a few large armored cruisers serving as the primary offensive arm of the navy, but it was ill equipped to fight conflicts far from its shores. It was also felt that it could not risk deploying large numbers of its fleet away from home waters as it would run the risk that the United States would attempt to retake the president islands and Stuttland, which had been retaken by Alyska during the third Oregon war. Alyska thus needed an ally it could support in south America to act as a counter to the efforts of the Argentine and Chileans.

At first overtures were made to Peru, but the very public execution of several Peruvians accused of slavery in the Pacific islands in 1888 by the Alyskan navy and subsequent incidents had not endeared Alyska to the nation. Nor had their siding with rebel factions in the Peruvian civil war of 1894-95. Peru was also not interested in fighting Chile again after being at the losing end of several wars with their southern neighbor, and could care less what Argentina got itself up to.

Brazil however already enjoyed close relations with Alyska. Indeed emperor Afonso I had married an Alyskan princess, Margaret of Weston-Oranjie, in the 1880s. And several Alyskan companies conducted business in the empire. The two nations representatives met in 1900 shortly after the Argentine-Chilean alliance was made public and began discussing a military alliance with trade and economic additions. Brazil wanting loans from Alyskan banks, which had strong ties to French, British, and German banks which were closed to Brazil directly after the nation defaulted on its loans, as well as trade deals. The empire also needed foreign assistance in building up its military through domestic needs.

An official alliance would not be concluded until 1901, by that time Argentina and Chile had both ordered a further paid of battleships each, and Alyska had announced the acceptance of the 1900 naval budget. Which sought to add nine further battleships, eight armored and twelve protected cruisers, sixteen destroyers, thirty torpedo boats, nine submarines, and six minelayers, to the fleet, all to be laid down by 1905. Brazil would announce its own fleet law not long after and ordered a pair of battleships of its own from Alyska the week before the treaty was formally signed.

 

[Count of Crisco]

The two alliances of the war are now established, I will add fleet sizes in 1901 next, and then give a breakdown of what everyone ordered.

 

[Count of Crisco]

Included is a list of the primary combatants of the major south American navies at the turn of the century. Note that ships prior to 1880 are not included in this list unless mentioned otherwise due to generally limited combat performance of the many older legacy vessels still in service. Note also that the Alyskan Royal Navy is included in this list of South American powers as well due to their activity in the region.

Alyska
x10 battleships (Hannibal, Cannae, Alexander, Macedon, Slagveld, Posadka, Beringa, Tlingit heights, Stuttland, Hetenvalle)
x4 central battery ships (Ptolemy, Cleopatra, Caesar, Augustus)
x4 armored cruisers (Pavkalov, Nahlin, Ryker, Kotminer)
x6 protected cruisers (Aria, Kage, Reisui, Suterlov, Zuidfort, Enkelev)
x6 destroyers
x17 torpedo boats
x9 gunboats
numerous older ships

Argentina
x1 central battery ship, Almirante Brown, 1882.
x2 coastal battleships, Libertad, Indepencia, 1892
x4 armored cruisers, Garibaldi, San martin, Belgrano, Pueyrredon, 1896.
x2 protected cruisers, Patagonia, Malvinas, 1894.
x1 protected cruiser, Buenos Aires, 1895.
x3 destroyers
x8 torpedo boats
x1 gunboat

Brazil
x1 coastal defense ship, Deodoro, 1900 (x1 under construction)
x3 protected cruisers Almirante Borroso, 1897, (x1 under construction)
x4 destroyers, num 1-4, 1899
x2 torpedo boats
x3 gunboats

Chile
x1 battleship, Capitan Prat, 1893.
x1 battleships, Constitucion, (x1 under construction)
x6 protected cruisers (Esmeralda, O'Higgins, Presidente Errázuriz, Presidente Pinto, Blanco Encalada, and Ministro Zenteno)
x4 destroyers
x8 torpedo boats
x4 gunboats

Columbia
x2 armored cruisers, desafiante, defensor, 1895
x2 destroyers
x1 gunboat

Peru
x1 protected cruiser, Lima, 1893
x2 torpedo boats

 

[CV(N)-6]

Not sure Argentina and Chile want to challenge a fleet with a 10-1+1 advantage in BB's?

 

[Count of Crisco]

Not sure Argentina and Chile want to challenge a fleet with a 10-1+1 advantage in BB's?

If you look at the BB series I am doing you can see Alyska mostly has small BBs bordering on CDS. And four of that number are 1880s designed oddballs.

Alyska is also not on great terms with the USN so both states are banking on a) Alyska not being willing to send a majority of their fleet to SA to defend a small isolated bit of land. And b) the kingdom to continue to build small ships suited to defense.

It's the classic blunder of assuming the enemy will do what you want them to, and not respond or adapt to your actions in any way.

 

[Count of Crisco]

Following the turn of the century the Alyskan navy introduced a sweeping new naval program which aimed to build a series of new and high performance warships for the fleet. The plan called for nine battleships, eight armored cruisers, twelve protected cruisers, fifteen destroyers, twenty five torpedo boats, and six submarines. Originally it was planned that all of these ships should be produced in domestic yards. However the large number of foreign orders placed in Alyskan yards during the program would force the navy into ordered a series of foreign built ships, mostly cruisers and torpedo ships.

The plan, not focused on the Argentine and Chilean fleets but rather the growing USN, aimed to bring the Alyskan fleet up to the standards of any European fleet to match the increasing status of the kingdom. It was hoped that even with the scrapping of many obsolete units that the fleet would have the following strength by 1908 when the plan aimed to have all ships completed and in service.

15 battleships
12 armored cruisers (four older central battery ships had already been converted into ACs but were considered second line or reserve units)
20 protected cruisers
21 destroyers
35 torpedo boats
six submarines

As it happened the navy would fail initially to get funding for the final battleship of the program, the government objecting to the rising cost of ships refused to fund the vessel as a means of balancing the budget. Even the direct intervention of king Francis I in favor of the new ship failed to get her funded. This sparked significant backlash from the public and led immediately to the king financing a pair of new even larger battleships out of his own pocket. Furthermore Alyska would also build a further five protected cruisers than had initially been intended, three being meant for China but not delivered and two further ships building for Brazil taken into the navy at the outbreak of war. Five torpedo boats were also upgraded to destroyers as well.

And finally in 1906 the kingdom would lay down its first ships of a new type, the Dreadnought. A single ship was laid down in 1906, with another following in 1907. In 1909 an improved pair were ordered using turbines instead of triple expansion engines.

 

[Count of Crisco]

Argentina by 1907 was seen as an up and coming regional power. High immigration rates, primarily from Italy, and a budding industrial center, had led to the nations economy rapidly growing in the final decade of the 19th century. Indeed by the turn of the century efforts had begun to build up heavy industry in the country. With British expertise being introduced to build a train and coach manufacturing factory in Buenos Aires.

The navy had purchased four battleships in three classes. Beginning with two ships from Italy, the República and Congreso, based upon the Regina Margherita class. These ships were ordered in 1901 and delivered 1904 and 1905. With another, the Rivadavia ordered from the United States in 1903 based on the Maine class. Finally in 1905 a ship based on the Madison class, the San Martin, was ordered. She would be delivered the week prior to the Argentine ultimatum that began the second Patagonian war. In the meantime a further three protected cruisers were ordered, all from Italy but to differing designs. The nation also purchased six destroyers and a dozen small torpedo boats. A pair of submarines were also looked at. But none were ordered before the war.

Thus the Argentine navy possessed the following in 1907.
x4 battleships
x2 coastal defense ships
x1 central battery ship
x4 armored cruisers
x6 protected cruisers
x9 destroyers
x15 torpedo boats

 

[Count of Crisco]

With an alliance in hand with Alyska Brazil rapidly began to expand their fleet with orders from both the kingdom as well as the UK. Importantly Brazil's domestic shipbuilding industry allowed her to also produce some vessels for her own use domestically. Albeit with significant help from her allies and trading partners. A fleet plan was established in 1902 which called for Brazil to acquire a fleet of six modern battleships, four armored cruisers, four protected cruisers, ten destroyers and ten torpedo boats. It was planned that two of the battleships, all of the armored cruisers and all of the torpedo boats, would be built in imperial shipyards.

Brazils first battleship class would be the two ships of the British build Rio Grande de Sol and Braganza, based on the London class. Next the empire laid down a pair of ships, Rio de Janerio and Gloriosa, based on the Alyskan Sword class, in their own yards. And finally in 1904 a further pair of ships, based on the Sword class as well, were ordered from Alyska. These ships, the Minas Gerais and Imperador Pedro, would be delivered just a week before the Argentine ultimatum for Alyska to withdraw from Patagonia was to end. At the same time the empire built the slightly oddball Bahia class armored cruisers. At just six and a half thousand tons these ships were armed with four twin 150mm gun turrets in a lozenge layout, they were protected by a 125mm belt and could attain speeds of roughly 22 knots. Putting them at the small end of the armored cruiser spectrum, and broadly comparable to the Swedish Fylgia which was a few thousand tons lighter.

By 1907 the Brazilian navy was as follows.
x6 Battleships
x2 coastal defense battleships
x4 armored cruisers
x8 protected cruisers
x2 gunboats
x12 destroyers
x12 torpedo boats

 

[Count of Crisco]

Chile, while it had the smallest economy of the three major south American nations, did have a history of naval victory and lacked the need for a major army. As a result Chile set about ordering ships to boost the size and power of its fleet from the start of its alliance with Argentina. Chile also had a tradition of rigorous training for their crews and a tendency to keep their vessels in good condition, with regular maintenance and upkeep made possible thanks to modest, but capable, naval infrastructure in the base of Valparaíso including a pair of drydocks and other facilities.

In 1900 Chile ordered a further pair of battleships, the República and Democracia to their fleet. Based on the London class these ships would arrive in service in 1903 and 1904 and would be considerably larger than the previous Constitucion and independencia also built in the UK. These ships were really more second class battleships armed with four 10 inch guns. These vessels gave the Chilean navy vessels comparable to the ships of the Argentina and Alyskan fleets. A pair of armored cruisers would be ordered next in 1902, also from the UK. Next a quartet of capable protected cruisers were ordered between 1903 and 1904. And then finally in 1905 a dozen destroyers were ordered, unsurprisingly from the UK and based on an RN design. Plans were being made to order a further battleship in 1906, but the revealing of HMS Dreadnought paused these plans, as it did for nearly all navies.

Thus in 1907 the Chilean navy possessed the following strength.
x5 battleships (1 turret ship included)
x2 armored cruiser
x8 protected cruisers (+2 smaller cruisers)
x14 destroyers
x7 torpedo boats
x5 gunboats

 

[Count of Crisco]

So, just before the war we find the situation where an alliance of South American republics, using ships produced in the United States, Italy, and United Kingdom, stands against a neighboring constitutional imperial monarchy and a distant north American kingdom using ships built domestically, as well as in France, the Netherlands, Germany, and the United Kingdom.

I will probably resume my series on Alyskan battleships now. But if a summary of the naval war in Patagonia is wanted then I can do so.

 

[Count of Crisco]

Following the refusal of the government to fund a third battleship, despite a brutal fight in the Assembly, king Francis I, who had suffered a rare rejection of his wishes, decided to provide funding to the navy to fund the ninth battleship of the original plan himself out of his own pocket. And then, following a major outcry by the opposition, a second ship to give the navy a fleet of ten modern battleships. This action was meant both to generally discredit and embarrass those who had opposed him and his supporters, as well as demonstrate clearly the real power of the crown. The king was able to fund the ship via his holdings in various industries and factories via the Crown Corporation.

The monarch, as a result of the means by which she was financed, was designed with heavy input by the king. But he also allowed the admiralty to include numerous innovations such as steam turbines from Britain, an improved secondary battery 200mm guns, higher elevation across the board, and radio. The ships were 16,458 tons and capable of 20.5 knots, with a range of 7,500 nautical miles at ten knots. Protected by a belt of 300-100mm and a 50mm deck the two ships were armed with two twin 280mm gun turrets, four twin 200mm gun turrets, twelve 150mm guns in casemates, and finally sixteen 75mm guns as her anti-destroyer battery. In keeping with standard Alyskan practice of the period the ships didnt carry torpedoes.

Both ships had just entered service when the second Patagonian war broke out. And they would serve as part of the first battle division alongside the shield class for much of the conflict. The vessels proved to be very well designed and fought in many of the bigger battles of the conflict as flagships. Protector would be damaged by a mine in 1909 during the aftermath of the battle of Rio, with Monarch being hit by a dud torpedo fired by a Brazilian torpedo boat a day before the storming of the delta. Both ships would take numerous shell hits as well but proved highly resilient to damage.

The ships were retained postwar and would serve with the final two Tlingit heights class dreadnoughts, the ones with turbines and a 21 knot speed into the post war. Monarch and Protector remained in Alyskan home waters during the entirety of the first world war, though there were early plans floated to send her to Greece for their use under a lease arrangement. Both ships were retained after the end of the first world war and into the treaty era as training ships. Monarch was renamed Beringa in 1922 when the superdreadnought Monarch was commissioned. Beringa would be retained until she was expended as a target in 1934, with Protector being preserved as a museum ship in Fredricksburg where she remains to this day.

 

[Count of Crisco]

As the Monarch class was in the early phases of its construction it rapidly came to the attention of the navy that several nations, among them the Japanese empire and United states, were building a new type of ship. One which used a uniform battery of main guns, abandoning the secondary battery of quick firing guns for increased firepower at range. The admiralty, keenly aware that this was the way forward, ordered designs for a similar ship prepared. Several designs were considered, but it was decided fairly quickly to slightly modify the Monarch design, swapping out the 200mm guns and 150mm battery for a further eight 280mm guns in four wing turrets to provide the ship with the ability to fire six guns fore and aft, and an eight gun broadside.

It was considered at first to fit turbines onto these new ships. However, while the Monarch had used turbines with good success these were imported from Britain and domestic Alyskan turbines would not be available for a few years yet. Late in production the ship was given a secondary battery of twelve 150mm guns in casemates. Armor for the ships was planned as being a 250mm belt which came down to 100mm at the ends of the ship and without turbines the vessel was expected to manage 18 knots. Armor was considered light, but it was needed in order to fit the 150mm battery.

In 1906 Alyskan designers got their first look at what an all big gun battleship looked like with the commissioning of HMS Dreadnought. At 18,000 tons the ship was nearly a thousand tons smaller than the Alyskan battleships laid down just a few months prior in the same year, she also carried two less guns. But despite this she was capable of 21 knots and had thicker armor. This ship, and information gleaned about the first all big gun ships of the US and Japanese navies, caused major revisions to the final two ships which were laid down next in 1907. These ships would have armor increased to 300mm in the center, and 150 at the ends, this being done at the expense of her 150mm secondary batter. Turbines also gave the vessel a speed of 20.7 knots, and her displacement remained largely unchanged.

The difference between the first two ships and the second pair leads to some experts splitting these ships into the Victory, and Tlingit heights class. But the Alyskan admiralty has always maintained that these were a single class. The ships built were Tlingit heights, Opolzen, Yukon, and Posadka and they commissioned between 1909 and 1911. Construction of the class was little effected by the second Patagonian war.

Tlingit heights and Opolzen were rushed into service at the very end of the war, becoming flagships of the two columns of the fleet which stormed the Amazon delta in 1909. Making these ships the first dreadnoughts to fire their guns in anger, both ships took damage during this battle, Opolzen taking a number of shell hits while Tlingit heights was hit by a Brazilian 14 inch torpedo, that fortunately failed to detonate but did cause some damage to the hull.

Post war the ships rarely worked as a squadron, the older vessels of the fleet serving alongside the predreadnoughts, while the latter ships with turbines often served as a squadron with the Monarchs. Forming the first battle squadron with the homefleet, and serving as the first units of the new 1910 fleet plan which sought to add twelve battleships and six battlecruisers, as well as support ships, to the fleet over the next decade. None of the ships of the class served in the armed neutrality patrols the Alyskan fleet engaged in during the early years of the first world war, instead being kept in home waters.

When the kingdom did enter the war after the sinking of the battleship Venus this did not seem like it would change. Alyska sent its more modern Immortal and Dauntless class ships to serve with the British Grand Fleet instead. But the presence of Ottoman dreadnoughts in the eastern Mediterranean, and Hellenic fear of these vessels, caused the British and French to work out a deal with Alyska to lease the two older ships of the class, without turbines, to the Royal Hellenic Navy. These ships would be taken and used mostly for blockade duty to keep the Ottoman ships bottled up in the Black sea, largely with success.

The ships would be returned to Alyska at the end of the war and scrapped under the terms of the Washington Naval Treaty in 1924 and 25. Greece would instead buy the two newer turbine equipped ships in 1924, using them throughout the interwar and during the early part of the second world war, where both ships were lost. The turrets of the scrapped first pair would be used in coastal fortifications in Patagonia, Fiji, and the Alyskan mainland that would all see action in the third Patagonian war and second world war.

 

[Count of Crisco]

The first Alyskan dreadnoughts are a mixed bag generally. Adding a secondary battery and not having turbines gave the first two ships a low speed and thin armor, and the later ships, while faster, were still hampered by an inefficient layout of their turrets and only moderate speed. Range also probably suffers between the TEE ships and turbine vessels due to the higher fuel consumption of the turbines. I will next make a post detailing the final two ships service with the Greek navy.