I don't understand your last sentence.
To be honest, Abdul Hadi, I don't really know either. Must be me who is looking for the reason why people always clinging to those baseless Ottomano-skeptic views...
I don't understand your last sentence.
Somehow neither Luddendorf nor Hindenburg strike me as the sprt of types whod become dictators in the face of the Emperor - theyre just too conservative about it. Now, the Reichstag, thats another matter alltogether. They could conspire with various conservative groups, and maybe even the Emperor himself to have the Reichtags power curtailed in what Matthais aptly called the patriotic afterglow of victory.
Still, I dont think problems would occur immidatly. Id give it ten yeras, too, until the shit really hits the fan. Ten years of colonial wars trying to hodl the eastenr empire together, that is, with many disgrunted soldiers thus embracing leftist thought - just like Portugal IOTL 1974. A German Carnation Revolution, a coup by leftist armed forces, seems possible.
Everything you've said about the Ottomans is so incredibly off-base, but I've already said all this a million times and I know you in particular have participated in these threads. You really need to do some reading that isn't nationalist propaganda dreck (including Turkish).
There had been attacks on ethnic Greeks in Anatolia? Wrong. Maybe after GREECE INVADED TURKEY and burned, looted, and killed everything, but not during the course of WWI.
The idea that they hadn't been able to reform is ludicrous. How were they able to hold out for four years and win significant victories over Great Powers? The empire was at war for 12 straight years (1911-1923) and managed to survive, more or less - Russia, Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Bulgaria totally collapsed after much less.
If the CP win, the Ottomans lose NOTHING. Squat. You don't win a war and then get dismembered.
Everything you've said about the Ottomans is so incredibly off-base, but I've already said all this a million times and I know you in particular have participated in these threads. You really need to do some reading that isn't nationalist propaganda dreck (including Turkish).
There had been attacks on ethnic Greeks in Anatolia? Wrong. Maybe after GREECE INVADED TURKEY and burned, looted, and killed everything, but not during the course of WWI.
The idea that they hadn't been able to reform is ludicrous. How were they able to hold out for four years and win significant victories over Great Powers? The empire was at war for 12 straight years (1911-1923) and managed to survive, more or less - Russia, Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Bulgaria totally collapsed after much less.
If the CP win, the Ottomans lose NOTHING. Squat. You don't win a war and then get dismembered.
The "Arab Revolt" was insignificant. It was just the Sherif of Mecca taking an opportunity. He had no support anywhere outside the Hijaz. Without the British, he's gone in a week.
That's not to say the Ottomans don't have some fences to mend in Syria, but nothing beyond their ability to handle.
I don't see a lot of territory going their way, but they'll probably have some gains in the Caucasus.
I agree. I'd like to officially rescind my earlier comments about the viability of the Ottoman Empire. They did were able to hold off allied offensives in both the Straits and in Palestine and Mesopotamia.
The Arab Revolt will get crushed, but I think that it will probably spark a national consciousness in the Arab population. The Ottomans' are not going to be nice in their counter-insurgency campaign, and in crushing the Arab Revolt, they will be planting the seeds of later Arab insurgency. That is not to say that the Arabs will be in revolt in the 20's, but I think that once oil is found that will certainly motivate the Arabs to claim their homeland, which just happens to include all the oil-producing territory.
What will the effect of the German victory be on British control of Egypt?
How tied are the Ottomans' to the German alliance? Is there the possibility that with Russia under the Germans' heal the British would be willing to play ball with the Ottomans in order to have some non-threatening state intervene in Russian Turkestan?
How is the Ottoman Empire going to develop? It appears that the strength of nationalism was beginning to gain appeal among the Ottoman elite before WWI (that is that the idea of a ethnically based state- the Turks, ruling over colonial peoples). Does OTL Turkish Republic represents a very real possible future for the despite the Central Powers winning WWI?
What is the possibility of Ottoman intervention in Russian Turkestan? If the Germans pull off a successful intervention in Russia, then I don't know if the Russian state will be able to regain control of Central Asia. This could open a really big door for the Ottomans.
My understanding is that by 1917 Wilhelm had promised constitutional reform. Is this wrong? Of course, the result would be the same: A disenfranchised SPD that might be willing to go into some sort of resistance.
Anyway, the patriotic afterglow seems kidna dubious. It iddn't keep Churchill in power after WW2; and by 1922 Labor was on the upswing in Britain.
Given that Germany will be in more pressing economic straits (and concessions for cartels in the ruins of the Ukraine aren't gonna help the workers)...
Well, that depends on who they're fighting in the east, no?