Future of Manchukuko?

Well, I probably butchered that name.

Anyways;

Say that something or other happens and the Japanese manage to successfully control the entirety of China. They need not be involved in the greater war surrounding them; All they have to do is conquer China, which, if I understand correctly, is inevitable if they don't try to get tangled up with the Western powers.

So, what happens to Manchukuko? Is it incorporated into a large 'Empire of China' puppet state with Pu-Yi reinstated as Emperor? Is it simply left as is, as a rump Qing state in the Co-Prosperity Sphere? Or is it integrated into a Greater Chinese Republic, with Pu-Yi deposed of his royalty?
 
I think Japan would divide it into several states, and administer all as part of the Greater East-Asia Prosperity Sphere. Having one China unifies the country and the people, and it would eventually lead to a huge rebellion against Japan. Dividing it solves all these problems. Japan would in my opinion become an ally of the Allies, similar to WWI, in exchange for some concessions.
 

celt

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I wouldn't say it was inevitable,China is kinda big you know,and even if the Japanese aren't worrying about the Western powers theres still the Red army to their north to take into consideration..
 
I wouldn't say it was inevitable,China is kinda big you know,and even if the Japanese aren't worrying about the Western powers theres still the Red army to their north to take into consideration..

Japan signs an agreement with Russia, getting a steady supply of fuel and a strong ally to the north.
 
Japan signs an agreement with Russia, getting a steady supply of fuel and a strong ally to the north.

Why? The Russians want revenge for the Russo-Japanese War and the embarrassment it caused them. With China under Japanese occupation it wouldn't be hard to train an army of Chinese communists and have them motivate a popular communist uprising amongst the masses. If anything it would be a mere-cease fire with both sides planning on hitting each other when the time comes.
 
The Soviets were actually supporting Chiang during the Second Sino-Japanese war and not Mao.

Regardless, Japan's style was multiple small puppets. You'd probably see Manchukuo, Mengkukuo(Inner Mongolia), a government based around Beijing(a la the Beiyang Republic), Wang Jingwei's government in Nanjing in guise of the KMT. Perhaps another one around Guangzhou.

Even under the most idea circumstances, including the fall of Chiang's regime and the KMT, I don't see Japan being about to exert any meaningful authority any deeper into the Chinese mainland. So you'd see Mao being a running sore for Japan for years to come, Xianjang being a Soviet puppet, and Tibet keeping to itself.
 
The only way I can see Manchukuo and a Chinese SSR existing at the same time is if the Empire of Japan manages to stay out of wars with both the USSR and the Western Allies until after the end of a WWII-analogue. If the Cold War, or something like it, starts up, the Western Allies will likely see Japan as a potentially powerful anti-Communist ally. The US can threaten war if the USSR attacks Japan or its puppets. Otherwise, I think Japanese expansionism onto the Asian mainland will conflict with the USSR's ambitions. The USSR *will* drive the Japanese out of Manchuria (and China, if they are there), as soon as they are free of major distractions elsewhere.

If both the USSR and the Empire of Japan do keep slices of China, though, life is likely to be very interesting for the average Chinese. Neither of these powers will be shy about arresting/killing suspected dissidents--including Chinese nationalists--in their area.:(
 

yourworstnightmare

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I am pretty sure Manchukuo would be administered separate from the rest of China. Wang Jingwei would probably be the head of the rest of China (except some rich places the Japanese would want to outright annex).
 
The Japanese could handle the Nationalist Army (although it was also often defeated), but it couldn't control the country. The Japanese exercised no control over the rural population. Their only methods of control was periodic butchery in response to some offensive (like the 100 Regiment Offensive or the Doolittle Raid).

If the Nationalist Army is left on its own record, I think it is safe to say that the Japanese eventually mandhandle them. However, no war with the Western powers means the Burma Road is kept open, and by 1941 the United States is committed to aiding the Nationalists. They are going to get significant equipment that will be delivered (unlike OTL which most materials were not delivered, and what little was delivered actually went to the American Air Forces there, until very, very late in the war). So I don't say the Japanese conquest is inevitable. It could be a prolonged stalemate though.

Regardless of how well the Japanese do though, Machukuo will remain a separate puppet state. The "5 races" of China - Han, Manchu, Mongol, Tibetan, and Muslim Turk are all going to be kept separate.
 
The Japanese would give each of the major nationalities of the Qing era a state, but with generous borders for the non-Han ones at the expense of the Han state, in my opinion. That said, the Hui were rather anti-Japanese in our timeline, so the Han puppet (or one of the Han puppets) might receive Sinkiang.
 

yourworstnightmare

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The Japanese would give each of the major nationalities of the Qing era a state, but with generous borders for the non-Han ones at the expense of the Han state, in my opinion. That said, the Hui were rather anti-Japanese in our timeline, so the Han puppet (or one of the Han puppets) might receive Sinkiang.
On the other hand Sinkiang was far from Japan, and certainly not really on their radar.
 
Say that something or other happens and the Japanese manage to successfully control the entirety of China. They need not be involved in the greater war surrounding them; All they have to do is conquer China, which, if I understand correctly, is inevitable if they don't try to get tangled up with the Western powers.

They may try to do so, but their really is no real way for Japan to take control over the entirety of China, even at their height IOTL they only controlled the coastal cities.


So, what happens to Manchukuko? Is it incorporated into a large 'Empire of China' puppet state with Pu-Yi reinstated as Emperor? Is it simply left as is, as a rump Qing state in the Co-Prosperity Sphere? Or is it integrated into a Greater Chinese Republic, with Pu-Yi deposed of his royalty?

It depends on the situation.

Manchukou could either remain a seperate puppet state, become something akin to a Dominion (IE Japanese Emperor as Monarch and some areas of limited autonomy) or be directly annexed into the Japanese Empire itself.
 
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