french victory at waterloo

ok sorry if this has been done before but i was wondering what all would change with Napoleon badly defeating Wellington & Blücher at waterloo?

would the coalition continue fighting until the defeat of france or would the settle?
 
The Russians and Austrians would be the ones fighting against Napoleon in the next round then. And against them the defeat of the French seems inevitable. If not the British and friends would take the time the Russians and Austrians bought for them to regroup and fight another round while the Russians regroup. Most likely the Russians wont give the British that chance tho.
 
The Russians and Austrians would be the ones fighting against Napoleon in the next round then. And against them the defeat of the French seems inevitable. If not the British and friends would take the time the Russians and Austrians bought for them to regroup and fight another round while the Russians regroup. Most likely the Russians wont give the British that chance tho.
so basically the hundred days war last another couple months
 
so basically the hundred days war last another couple months

Weeks at the most. The Austrians were already fighting, they fought at the Battle of La Suffle (and lost), but they were allied fighting. The German Princes were furnishing auxillaries too.

Here is Europe in 1814, prior to the Congress.

Russia was occupying Saxony. Wouldn't be too long for them to get troops into the West. We probably see another fight for Paris and another occupation.

Napoleon's army in 1815 wasn't amazing. It's definately a brilliant campaign on his part, but it wasn't the Grand Armée. It was honestly full so-called Marie Louises, a derogatory term by the veterans of the Imperial Guard for the youthful men, the class of 1815-1820 conscripted in 1814. He was essentially calling up 14 and 15 year old boys, and it was evident what the Napoleonic Wars had done to France in the last five years: that the youth of France had been sacrificed on the battlefield, in campaigns such as Russia in 1812, Napoleon relied on foreign recruits and conscripts, masking the inability of the domestic population to supply. Thus, Napoleon formed his Young Guard regiments.

These Marie-Louises were young, inexperienced, and ill-equipped. They were named such because the order for conscription bore Marie-Louise's signature, during the Regency as Napoleon had left to command in the East.

They fought heroically, though. But France is sapped by 1815. These same men who defended France in 1814 did so in 1815.

One side effect is if the Allied forces under Wellington are whipped and it's Austro-Russian forces who do the finishing touches, the ending Congress of Vienna may play out differently. Prussia was eying Saxony and Russia was prepared to back them for Posen. Apperantly Talleyrand was preparing for an alliance for France, Austria, and Britain against the duo if the Saxon crisis broke out. This means a possibly messier post-war period. The Congress system strangled it's it grave with a drawn-out Hundred Days, a conflict over Saxony that embitters the allies into a 'Triple Alliance' of Austria, France, and Britain against Russia and Prussia. Murat may maintain Naples, William I may have issues with a more restive southern Netherlands and France may be even more bled and unstable at the end of it all, and the German Confederation may never be realized, or perhaps exclude Prussia...
 
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so basically the hundred days war last another couple months


Almost certainly.

It is surely significant that right through the Hundred Days, old Talleyrand (a smart cookie if ever there was one) just stayed in Vienna negotiating on behalf of Louis XVIII. He knew how this was going to turn out.
 
i thought France still had Belgium after napoleons first defeat?
No when Napoleon was beaten the first time they decided France would be restored with prerevolutionairy borders, so no Belgium for France. At the Vienna congress (before Waterloo) it was decided the Netherlands would get it, as Austria didn't want it anymore.

whoes Talleyrand?
Talleyrand was the most brilliant French politician/diplomat since Richellieu. You can't discuss France at the early 19th century without him.
 
I dont see Napoleon has any position to divide the alliance even if he wins at Waterloo, Britain and Prussia wont make a seperate peace. And Napoleon is exhausted so is france.
 
No when Napoleon was beaten the first time they decided France would be restored with prerevolutionairy borders, so no Belgium for France. At the Vienna congress (before Waterloo) it was decided the Netherlands would get it, as Austria didn't want it anymore.
i thought they moved them to pre napoleonic borders
 
i thought France still had Belgium after napoleons first defeat?

whoes Talleyrand?

No. After Leipzig and the Seventh Coalition, Napoleon had to abandon his German conquests. France it's self was invaded and Napoleon attempted to defend it until he had to capitulate. The Congress of Vienna reduced France to her 1790 borders -- she abandoned her conquests on the Rhine but was allowed to keep the Comtat of Avignon as well as Savoy and Nice.

After Waterloo and the Hundred Days, Nice and Savoy were returned to Sardinia, France had to pay an indemnity of ₣700,000,000 (£28,000,000) to the allies for expenses, and host an occupation army of 150,000 men, 30,000 from each Great Powers of Austria, Prussia, Russia, and England, and some minor German states too. The occupation was to be for no less than three years, and occupy the major fortifications of France from Cambray to Fort Louis, Valenciennes and Quisnois; Meuberg and Landtecy. France would pay for this occupational army at their expense. They would pay further indemnities to various other powers too for the "spoiltation" of war during the Revolution; these were valued at some ₣735,000,000 (£29,500,000). Millions of Francs were provided for smaller powers as well, so that France was paying, besides maintaining the occupational forces was no less than ₣1,500 and ₣35,000,000 francs (£61,500,000 in sterling).

The British in the spirit of reconciliation, gave up their portion of the indemnity, some £5,000,000 sterling, whilst the Dutch King used his funds to rebuild the barrier forts Joseph II had tore down.

As for Talleyrand, I am super surprised you don't know who he was. Here. He was an amazing politician and one of Napoleon's greatest political servants. He's one man whom played a role in Napoleon's rise. An Ancién Regime aristocrat, he embraced the Revolution, embraced Napoleon, and turned on him, embraced the Bourbons and (secured) their succession.
 
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