French revolution spreads to the entire continent of Europe?

I wonder what if by some butterfly effect, that idears of the french revolution spreads to the entire continent of Europe? Removing royal families from the Britain in the West to Russia in the East? How does this change European history? Could this for instance create a European community decades (centuries) ahead of time? If the right conditions are meet?

And if history is changed. Maybe no UK-USA war of 1812?
 
I wonder what if by some butterfly effect, that idears of the french revolution spreads to the entire continent of Europe? Removing royal families from the Britain in the West to Russia in the East? How does this change European history? Could this for instance create a European community decades (centuries) ahead of time? If the right conditions are meet?

And if history is changed. Maybe no UK-USA war of 1812?

It kind of did in real life, hence all the sister republics that were actually French puppet states all over Europe.
Italy and the Netherlands were the most affected.
 
Indeed. We got the concept of last names - which is why you still see people going around with last names such as 'naaktgeboren' ('born naked'), as people expected these last names to be removed once France was gone - the metric system, universal suffrage for men, all children had to go to school, and so on.

The French Revolution had quite a positive impact.
 
It kind of did in real life, hence all the sister republics that were actually French puppet states all over Europe.
Italy and the Netherlands were the most affected.
I think he mean that the revolution succeed and no reactionary power are left.
 
I think he mean that the revolution succeed and no reactionary power are left.

Even revolutionary France doesn't have the power to take out Russia or Great Britain (where there was no great revolutionary movement) and if say, Russia was to respond with its own levee en masse of its peasantry than it might be France on the run.
 
Even revolutionary France doesn't have the power to take out Russia or Great Britain (where there was no great revolutionary movement) and if say, Russia was to respond with its own levee en masse of its peasantry than it might be France on the run.
France and Russia were pretty even in terms of numbers back then. I think Russia had just surpassed France 10-20 years ago?

But your right, had a revolution occurred in Russia it would have been a mess.
The Russians would not have the same views as the French and as soon as the French gives a (French-styled) Revolutionary Russia an ultimatum its gonna be the two largest armies in history duking it out in Germany.

The thing about Russia is they kind of have something to prove in a war against France and can raise more men and definately have more resources.

It all depends on who allies with who? If Austria/Prussia ally with France, Russia surely can't win a ground war, Britain will ally with them but would that be enough? Well, probably actually if the Brits blockage and invade through spain as OTL while Russia releases small buffer states (at least temporarily) on its borders it may be able to fight back the coalition until they collapse from blockade.

Austria, definitely did not like France and vise versa.
 
I believe Austria-Hungary was sort of unstable until they got a rally around the flag over cries of French barbarism. If you could calm the Terror down a little or something Austria could easily go next.
 
I believe Austria-Hungary was sort of unstable until they got a rally around the flag over cries of French barbarism. If you could calm the Terror down a little or something Austria could easily go next.

If you could calm down the Terror you would probably see more nations do a Parma and come to terms with the Republic and concentrate internally, which would scuttle revolutions rather than spread them.

If you really wish to spread the "Revolution" you should not have the French loot and rape their "sister-republics" which caused the people to turn on them. The "Roman" republic, the "Batavian" republic, the "Helvetic" republic, the "Cisalpine" Republic - all of these were basically used a a place for the French army to loot cash/art/goods and spread the French system of government (everything being divided into departments etc.) and following French policies (such as the looting of churches and anti-clericalism) that the people in these countries do not favor. Most of this came directly from the orders of the Directory (the creation of the Roman Republic for instance and the making the pope a prisoner in France was not because of some grand revolution in Rome but only because of French occupation). Then you have French marshals who call themselves "republicans" getting rich off of "liberated" property and basically ruling these foreign countries as outposts of France - which spurred a nationalist backlash and spurred the end of the revolutionary experiments.

The problem with the French revolutionaries is that they thought they had to bring a "French" version of revolution with them wherever they went not even contemplating it should be different from other cultures (which is weird given their experience with the Americans).
 
I believe Austria-Hungary was sort of unstable until they got a rally around the flag over cries of French barbarism. If you could calm the Terror down a little or something Austria could easily go next.
the Hapsburg Empire was under attack from Prussian backed revolutionaries. Reichenbach put an end to that and created the basis of the first coalition and the first revolutionary war.

If you can get them to not have a convention (Austria and Prussia) the odds are they'll end up at war with each other, with a revolutionary France aligned with Prussia (at least at first, that's kind of what the convention was about), and then the devolved republics of the Hapsburg empire could make for a confederation and buffer to both the Ottoman and Russian Empires. I doubt Prussia would turn on France in such a scenario but maybe we see a coalition of Russia, Prussia, Britain and Spain?

They probably still lose the first go around and with Italy already being freed from the Hapsburg Napoleon has no reason to rise. A true radical republican France.

Interesting TL...
 
the Hapsburg Empire was under attack from Prussian backed revolutionaries. Reichenbach put an end to that and created the basis of the first coalition and the first revolutionary war.

If you can get them to not have a convention (Austria and Prussia) the odds are they'll end up at war with each other, with a revolutionary France aligned with Prussia (at least at first, that's kind of what the convention was about), and then the devolved republics of the Hapsburg empire could make for a confederation and buffer to both the Ottoman and Russian Empires. I doubt Prussia would turn on France in such a scenario but maybe we see a coalition of Russia, Prussia, Britain and Spain?

They probably still lose the first go around and with Italy already being freed from the Hapsburg Napoleon has no reason to rise. A true radical republican France.

Interesting TL...

I'd read that. I'd be interested in seeing how the Republic might stabilize without the Empire.
 
I'd read that. I'd be interested in seeing how the Republic might stabilize without the Empire.
indeed i've been interested in a Repercussions of no Convention of Reichenbach for awhile, but i'm not really a writer and i drift.

Still, i'd be interested to see the Republic as well as Prussia and Russia in this TL.
 
the Hapsburg Empire was under attack from Prussian backed revolutionaries. Reichenbach put an end to that and created the basis of the first coalition and the first revolutionary war.

If you can get them to not have a convention (Austria and Prussia) the odds are they'll end up at war with each other, with a revolutionary France aligned with Prussia (at least at first, that's kind of what the convention was about), and then the devolved republics of the Hapsburg empire could make for a confederation and buffer to both the Ottoman and Russian Empires. I doubt Prussia would turn on France in such a scenario but maybe we see a coalition of Russia, Prussia, Britain and Spain?

Against France and the devolved republics? That would still be a powerful coalition like OTL sending republican France and the devolved republics into internal chaos and violence as the republicans would try any means necessary to preserve their republics like OTL with the Reign of Terror. Hence, a unstablized republican France and devolved republics would occur like OTL with the result that a strongman like Napoleon would have been needed to defend the republics against the coaliton, and spread Revolutionary ideals throughout Europe like OTL.

I can see why a revolutionary Prussia could turn against France in order to get its hands on the devolved republics but why would the coalition powers allow a Revolutionary Prussia to join them? They were against the ideals of Revolution and republicanism.

Europe really was not ready for Revolutionary ideals and republicanism without violence. For a peaceful transition to Revolutionary ideals and republicanism throughout 18th century Europe, more time is needed for the middle class and bourgeoisie to grow enough in numbers and influence and for literacy levels and schooling to rise to cover the whole populace in order for them to read about and accept the Enlightenment. However, that is assuming that the populace get out of their innate tendency to reject change and assuming that the reactionary monarchies and nobles don't stamp out and ban Enlightenment ideals in their territories because these ideals would rightly be seen as a threat to their power and privileges. Constitutional monarchies would have been a good solution for change and for a peaceful Europe to happen.

Otherwise, the only way for Revolutionary ideals to spread throughout 18th Europe is by force of arms. If Napoleon had been more ruthless in dealing with Austria and Prussia such as actually deposing their respective monarchies and encouraging the respective peoples to form their own governments, Revolutionary ideals would have spread more thoroughly. Russia would still be resistant, though, because of the low levels of literacy and high superstition among the Russian populace. If Europe had minded their own business OTL, there would have been a good chance that Revolutionary France would have imploded because of divisions between them, royalists, and catholics. Thank goodness Europe went on and intervened OTL.
 
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