French Directory without Napoleon

What if Napoleon died in egypt how long would the French Directory have lasted? Would they liberalize? What kind of governments would spring up when they fell.
 
What if Napoleon died in egypt how long would the French Directory have lasted? Would they liberalize? What kind of governments would spring up when they fell.

The Directorate would probably still fall but you might have a Consulat that last longer with Sieyès as Grand Electeur (Head of State). It would in all likelyhood prevent the napoleonic wars and France stabilising its situation with its neighbours.
 
The Directorate would probably still fall but you might have a Consulat that last longer with Sieyès as Grand Electeur (Head of State). It would in all likelyhood prevent the napoleonic wars and France stabilising its situation with its neighbours.
No they would still want to put a king back in France.
 
No they would still want to put a king back in France.

While I'm sure they would *prefer* a king, the consulate was an olygarchy with an head of state that was named for life so as long as they don't get invaded (and the french don't try to export the revolution), the other countries would do a bit of "realpolitik" and try to live with the new order.

Doesn't mean of course that they wouldn't try to do some regime change further down the road of the proper situation arose.
 
While I'm sure they would *prefer* a king, the consulate was an olygarchy with an head of state that was named for life.

OTL Consulate was for a term of 10 years till 1802 when Napoleon dared make it lifetime.

And Napoleon held a coup inside the Brumaire coup to seize power for himself. Sieyes had meant to seize power for himself, and written a quite different constitution.

Does anyone know what Sieyes´ constitution exactly contained?

Sieyes had been plotting a coup already with Joubert, but was foiled by Joubert falling on 15th of August, 1799.

Suppose Napoleon dies in Egypt. Who else can Sieyes recruit for his Brumaire?
 
OTL Consulate was for a term of 10 years till 1802 when Napoleon dared make it lifetime.

If I remember correctly (but I could be wrong), this was for the consuls, not the Grand Elector.

And Napoleon held a coup inside the Brumaire coup to seize power for himself. Sieyes had meant to seize power for himself, and written a quite different constitution.

Does anyone know what Sieyes´ constitution exactly contained?

I've been unable to find much about it online when I researched it for a TL of mine. The problem is that Sieyes doesn't seem to have written a full constitution but instead various policies which he presented to others (including Napoleon)

Sieyes had been plotting a coup already with Joubert, but was foiled by Joubert falling on 15th of August, 1799.

Suppose Napoleon dies in Egypt. Who else can Sieyes recruit for his Brumaire?

Maybe Moreau, he hated the directoire and was discredited so he might be happy to limit himself to being leader of the army.
 
While I'm sure they would *prefer* a king, the consulate was an olygarchy with an head of state that was named for life so as long as they don't get invaded (and the french don't try to export the revolution), the other countries would do a bit of "realpolitik" and try to live with the new order.

Doesn't mean of course that they wouldn't try to do some regime change further down the road of the proper situation arose.

Nah, by the time of the Directory, the French people were tired. Those who wanted Louis XVIII to come back, and those who wanted to revive the Jacobin terror... both were distinctly in the minority.

Of course, the corruption of the Directory and it's scandals did cause some issues. I believe they had to declare bankruptcy, and in the later stages of the Directory, they essentially relied upon the loot and plunder from Italy and the other conquests to fund the army and keep it from getting restless.
 
Grand Elector Sieyes

So, Grand Elector Sieyes for life. Due to die natural causes 1836, as per OTL.

What kind of government was he going to put together if he got his way all the way through?
 
And has he enough popular following to stay in power more than a few months?

He was actualy pretty famous with part of the population as he was the writer of Essai sur les privilèges & Qu'est-ce que le tiers état ? which were founding papers of the revolution. He was also one of those who had voted for the death of the king and was partly responsible for the redaction of 2 of the previous constitutions. So all in all, he probably had the "street creds" to carry it through.
 
He was actualy pretty famous with part of the population as he was the writer of Essai sur les privilèges & Qu'est-ce que le tiers état ? which were founding papers of the revolution. He was also one of those who had voted for the death of the king and was partly responsible for the redaction of 2 of the previous constitutions. So all in all, he probably had the "street creds" to carry it through.


OK, make it a few years rather than months. But is 1836 really credible?

That makes him hang on nearly forty years, and between 1789 and 1870 no French regime exceeded twenty - most substantially less. He may be an ok politician, but is he that much better than the rest?
 
OK, make it a few years rather than months. But is 1836 really credible?

That makes him hang on nearly forty years, and between 1789 and 1870 no French regime exceeded twenty - most substantially less. He may be an ok politician, but is he that much better than the rest?

The thing to remember is that, from what I understand, the Grand Electeur was more of an "arbitrator" (think modern british monarch or GGs) then and actual "ruler". It would be the consuls who get attacked for doing a crappy job.

In term of the type of regime itself, who knows ? If it prove stable enough, you might not see the many changes of systems you had *here*. I think it might also depend on the foreign policy adopted by France, wheter they build alliance and avoid going to war too much.
 
The thing to remember is that, from what I understand, the Grand Electeur was more of an "arbitrator" (think modern british monarch or GGs) then and actual "ruler". It would be the consuls who get attacked for doing a crappy job.
What would the terms of the appointed consuls have been?
 
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