French Australia Rather Than Louisiana And Quebec

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  1. Dylanperr Well-Known Member

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    France like in real life loses the Seven Years War and in this alternate timeline the French colony of Louisiana is ceded to Britain not Spain. All the French Canadians (Both Acadiens and Quebecois) are exiled from North America thus resulting in the French Canadians heading to France for refuge for a short while. Since the French lost their colonies in North America and the British are concentrating the development of their North American colonies. France goes and establishes a colony in Australia and so the Acadiens and Quebecois along with more additional settlers from France are going to settle in Australia and build settlements in Australia like they did in North America prior to them losing the Seven Years War.
     
  2. SwampTiger Well-Known Member

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    I'm dreaming of a greeeenn Christmaaass....or maybe brown? That is an awful long way to go for the French at that time. They've lost all their colonies in North America and India by this time. They do not have naval superiority vis-a-vis the Royal Navy. Even the Dutch would be a threat out there. I could see Madagascar and/or south east Africa.
     
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  3. Dylanperr Well-Known Member

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    Why would the Dutch be a threat? The Dutch were only a republic while France was a massive empire. Were the Dutch allies with the British?
     
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    Does not really make sense. The French lost 7 year war but without a French threat in North America there was no reason to kick out the Quebecois. People get the impression that due to the British attacks against the Acadians they do the same to the Quebecois. But that was not the case, all attacks and deportation against the Acadians ended with the British victory over the 7 years war. The reason being that the actions against the Acadians had been as result of fear they would side with France which was still present in New France during a future war. This threat disappeared due to loss of New France and the expulsion of the French from New France.

    Now no transfer of people in any case till the war ends. The French navy was occupied fighting the British Navy to send any ships to move 60,000 people. Plus moving 60,000 would be a huge undertaking taking many years in not over a decade. If by some magical means they had been transported to France what makes people think they entertain a year long journey to Australia which at time of the 7 year war had not been properly mapped. So there would not of been an Australia to move to.

    Also settlement would of been a gradual process with first settlers setting up base camp an growing food to feed themselves and new settlers. Take decades to move the people there (as I indicated need to discover and explore it first before settling it.

    Lastly the way negotiations happened during that time period was a trade not a conquest. The British offered the French New France back but the French wanted the Caribbean islands due to sugar plantations which were a money making process while New France cost money to operate. Even access to the fishing Grand Banks was viewed by the French as more lucrative and of vital interest to France than New France.

    Lastly the French were in no financial situation having lost grand banks, Caribbean and New France to undertake transport and re-settling tens of thousand of settlers halfway around the world. Which incidentally was completely cut off from France in case of war.
     
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  5. SwampTiger Well-Known Member

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    The Dutch have established bases in the East Indies. France lost theirs during the war. France cannot send the entire fleet to deal with the DEIC. The Dutch will be concerned over a French colony to the south of their prized possession.
     
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    How would the British do this? The colony of Canada is much larger than Acadia/Nova Scotia and so is its population (both French and Native). This would be a huge logistical challenge for the British and would certainly provoke armed resistance. It was not by chance that OTL they decided to adopt a conciliatory position instead.

    France can colonize Australia without any ethnic cleansing in North America. The British did not settle Australia until 1788 so there is an opening for France to do so if it wants.
     
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  7. Dylanperr Well-Known Member

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    Spain was a French ally during the Seven Years War and the French were enemies with the British and the British won the war so they could of demanded it in the 1763 Treaty Of Paris. In this Alternate Timeline the British get Louisiana instead of Spain and both the Acadians and the Quebecois refuse to pay tribute to the British crown so they had to head somewhere.
     
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    But where they going to go? Australian not discovered neither is New Zealand. If they leave how they get there? Who pays? Also you aware the cost and number of ships required to move 60,000+ people.

    Why they refuse to pay taxes to British? The British wAnt then to stay and work the land? They have no need for the land. The British settlers are fine in the 13 colonies.
     
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  9. Richard V Well-Known Member

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    Would it be possible to buy the area of Argentina from Spain? They weren’t doing anything with it at the time and logistically it was a lot easier than settling Australia.
     
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  10. Dylanperr Well-Known Member

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    What part of Argentina would they buy?
     
  11. Lusitania Well-Known Member

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    When are we looking at France buying Argentina?

    French seemed to not promote colonization. They did not promote settlement in Louisiana or Quebec and only seemed interest in commercial enterprises. Thus the reason they gave up Quebec (New France) and Louisiana after the 7 year war in return to receive back French Caribbean (sugar) and islands off Newfoundland (fishing off the grand banks). So you would need for the French to care about settler colonies but after the 7 year wars France financial position was not strong and do not see them spending money on money loosing colonies.
     
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    After the Seven Years War.
     
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    Due to its southerly location it could even be called Australia ITTL
     
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    French Australia was named Antipodea in my (on hiatus) TL on the subject.
     
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    Again not possible there was no $$ to move the people. Plus over 60,000 people. As I indicated the British did not want to loose consumers for its goods, did not want loose the settlers so they not do it.

    Next France. It was not interested in a settler colony that was money loosing. Any colony would be expensive to setup never mind cost to transport people there. Secondly for France to get Argentina it would need to trade something for it. Spain not going to hand it over for free.
     
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  16. Richard V Well-Known Member

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    The Pampas grain belt around Buenos Aires. Climate wise it’s as close to France as you can get in South America.

    The thing is if France secures Argentina and Tierra del Fuego, they would have a southern anchor to reach the south Pacific and onward to New Zealand with less interference from the RN.
     
  17. Dylanperr Well-Known Member

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    So around Uruguay and the east coast of Argentina.