Frederick duke of York and Albany has children

Also, query, apart from Adelaide who else could Silly Billy realistically consider marrying, perhaps in the 1790s?
 
I like it, looks like a solid line up and bound to have influence throughout Europe for years to come
Definitely.

Also, query, apart from Adelaide who else could Silly Billy realistically consider marrying, perhaps in the 1790s?
- Princess Augusta of Prussia (1 May 1780 – 19 February 1841)
- Princess Frederica of Orange-Nassau (28 November 1770 – 15 October 1819)

Frederica of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (3 March 1778 – 29 June 1841) keeps her away from Ernest.
 
Definitely.


- Princess Augusta of Prussia (1 May 1780 – 19 February 1841)
- Princess Frederica of Orange-Nassau (28 November 1770 – 15 October 1819)

I think Princess Frederica of Orange-Nassau works quite nicely for this.

So perhaps their line of issue could be:

William Frederick, Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh (b.1776) m Princess Frederica of Orange-Nassau (b.1770)

Issue:

George William Frederick (b. 1794)

Charlotte (b. 1796)

Sophie (b. 1799)
 
I will change Marie of Hesse with some other princess. She was likely illegitimate and in any case the rumors about her birth are more than enough to exclude her by all the lists of possible brides (the only reason for her OTL wedding was who her husband had casually met her while was searching a bride (she was not included on the list of candidates) and fall in love with her and decided who she was his bride and forced his parents to accept his choice (well his father's opinion was "if Marie's official father had accepted her as his daughter and Alexander want marry her soo much she is an acceptable choice" while his mother was totally against the match)
 
I will change Marie of Hesse with some other princess. She was likely illegitimate and in any case the rumors about her birth are more than enough to exclude her by all the lists of possible brides (the only reason for her OTL wedding was who her husband had casually met her while was searching a bride (she was not included on the list of candidates) and fall in love with her and decided who she was his bride and forced his parents to accept his choice (well his father's opinion was "if Marie's official father had accepted her as his daughter and Alexander want marry her soo much she is an acceptable choice" while his mother was totally against the match)
Would he same not be done for Frederick then? Perhaps her sister Elisabeth could survive.

Or princess Marie Luise of Hesse Kassel
 
Would he same not be done for Frederick then? Perhaps her sister Elisabeth could survive.

Or princess Marie Luise of Hesse Kassel
Unlikely who Fredrick will be allowed to go in search of a bride with a favorite candidate and other possible choices (and in the end be allowed to do a such marriage)...
Elisabeth of Hesse would have the same problem of Marie so no
Maybe Alexandrine of Baden, who was the bride choised originally (aka by his parents) for Alexander II?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Alexandrine_of_Baden
Or the Hesse Kassel girl (but she is not the OTL Queen of Denmark)?
 
Unlikely who Fredrick will be allowed to go in search of a bride with a favorite candidate and other possible choices (and in the end be allowed to do a such marriage)...
Elisabeth of Hesse would have the same problem of Marie so no
Maybe Alexandrine of Baden, who was the bride choised originally (aka by his parents) for Alexander II?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Alexandrine_of_Baden
Or the Hesse Kassel girl (but she is not the OTL Queen of Denmark)?
Baden or Hesse Kassel. Oth work I think
 
Honestly I don't see why Silly Billy would marry TTL. He was the lowest male in the line of succession and an illegitimate commoner mother besides. George III never had anything to do with his Gloucester niece and nephew, so Britain's not going to negotiate a marriage; hell under German law his parents marriage was basically morganatic, so the German Princes would be doubly reluctant to authorize a marriage. Also, if the Yorks have children, then George IV is highly unlikely to marry; it was his brother's childlessness that helped force him to marry legitimately.
 
Honestly I don't see why Silly Billy would marry TTL. He was the lowest male in the line of succession and an illegitimate commoner mother besides. George III never had anything to do with his Gloucester niece and nephew, so Britain's not going to negotiate a marriage; hell under German law his parents marriage was basically morganatic, so the German Princes would be doubly reluctant to authorize a marriage. Also, if the Yorks have children, then George IV is highly unlikely to marry; it was his brother's childlessness that helped force him to marry legitimately.
This is true regarding George IV, so likely the whole issue with his marriage to Charlotte is gone, meaning she will need to marry elsewhere. Therefore meaning his sisters are freer to marry
 
Love the idea here's a few thoughts

Assuming Frederick and his wife have children - then no marriage for George IV in the short term - if Frederick has issue Parliament is less likely to offer financial incentives to George to "do his duty".
Once he becomes Regent then George will exercise influence over his nephew and niece and their marriage choices - given the Duchess of York was close to her family I would suspect she will be keen for a Prussian marriage for one or both her children - her half nephews are the right age and in the post Congress world might have been a suitable match for her daughter.
I think Anna Pavlovna is a likely match for the Duke of York's son - The Prince Regent will definitely encourage the alliance - and a British match at this period for Russia is not as complex as it would be in a few decades - Anna's marriage to the Dutch Prince of Orange was part to mark Russia's alliance with the West.
On Anna Pavlovna she might be a bit happier with a slightly more formal court than the Dutch one - she was very aware of her rank and position compared to that of her husband. If i recall the deal was her children would be raised as Protestants but she remained Russian Orthodox - so suspect that would also be the case assuming the Prince George of York (I think that's more likely than Edward given George III will be the final decision maker on the name and its his first male line grandson) is not too distasteful to her.

Prince Frederick, Duke of York and Albany (16 August 1763-5 January 1827) M. 1791, Princess Frederica Charlotte of Prussia (7 May 1767 - 6 August 1820)
Issue:
Prince George Edward of York and Albany, Earl of Ulster (b1793-1854) M 1816 Grand Duchess Anna Pavlovna of Russia (18 January 1795 - 1 March 1865)
Earl of Ulster from birth, Duke of York and Albany 1827 King of Great Britain as George V in 1830
and had issue:
1) George Frederick b 1818 (Prince George of Ulster 1818 to 1827, Earl of Ulster 1827 to 30, Prince of Wales etc from 1830)
2) Charlotte Amalia b1820 created Princess Royal 1830
3) Alexander Edward b1824 created Duke of York 1835 later Alexander I of Hanover.
4) William Paul b1825 created Duke of Clarence 1835
5) Sophia Mary b 1828

Letters Patent issued by George Prince Regent on January 9th 1818 - All children born to Their Royal Highnesses the Earl of Countess of Ulster were to bear the style of Royal Highness and Prince or Princess of Great Britain and Ireland - had he not issued the patent the children would have remained His or Her Highness as the male line great grandchildren of a sovereign until their father's accession.

During the revolutions of 1848 the King was forced to defend his rule in Hanover and the limited constitution imposed by his late Uncle George IV - he imposed a new constitution in 1849 which satisfied most and indicated a plan to enable his second son to succeed in Hanover (the Prince of Wales having frequently referred to the German state in uncomplimentary terms) - The Duke of York was promptly proclaimed as Regent of Hanover in 1850 and succeeded his father as Alexander I of Hanover in 1854 - there was strong support for this agreement from Prussia and the same year Alexander was betrothed to the 16-year-old Louise of Prussia.

Princess Charlotte Frederica of York and Albany b1795 m 1816 William Frederick George Louis of Orange-Nassau later William II of The Netherlands ( 6 December 1792 - 17 March 1849)
Had issue
1) Wilhelmina Frederica of Orange-Nassau b1819
2) William Frederick George of Orange-Nassau, Prince of Orange b1823
3) William Henry of Orange-Nassau b1826
The Duchess of York and Albany had high hopes for her daughter to marry her half nephew Frederick William of Prussia or his brother William but her hopes were frustrated when her brother in law preferred instead the Prince of Orange and in 1816 the Princess was formally betrothed to William of Orange.
 
This looks good, I presume that with a member of the family directly connected to them, in a way the Cumberlands weren't, that the Brits might perhaps provide more aid to Hanover should the Prussians look to go for some form of german unification here. I also suspect that Hanover might go a slightly more liberal route here than it did under Ernest.

So, I presume then that those considered legitimate grandchildren of George III would be George Frederick and Frederica, would Cumberland marry here himself, without the desire to produce an heir?
 
I think you would see a Hanover more likely to side with Prussia than Austria in these circumstances - Let's assume Alexander and Louise of Prussia are happily married in this scenario - then it is more likely that Hanover retains its position and its royal house due to stronger ties to Prussia. The Brits will be delighted to see the back of it and even if relations are good then I can't see them being too willing to intervene - I am assuming that politically George V is closer in attitude to his uncle Clarence than his Uncle's Cumberland and therefore accepts the slow march of progress in the UK - and passes that attitude to his sons the future George VI of UK and Alexander I of Hanover.
In terms of relationships - there will is suspect be a pro-Russian pull from the Queen Anna Pavlovna which will conflict with British policy a bit.
 
Something I remember reading once is that even minus the Great Baby Race, some of Victoria's uncles were looking to get married. Obviously, some of them won't marry their OTL spouses, but yeah.

Clarence was looking to get married so that Parliament would settle his debts - this was before Charlotte died IIRC - but he also attempted a marriage to one or two English heiresses.
Cumberland had been trying to marry Friederike since 1813, and before that, when Prince Ludwig of Prussia had died, she was proposed for the duke of Cambridge.

So, I could see Clarence and Cumberland or at least Cambridge getting married in this scenario.
 
Something I remember reading once is that even minus the Great Baby Race, some of Victoria's uncles were looking to get married. Obviously, some of them won't marry their OTL spouses, but yeah.

Clarence was looking to get married so that Parliament would settle his debts - this was before Charlotte died IIRC - but he also attempted a marriage to one or two English heiresses.
Cumberland had been trying to marry Friederike since 1813, and before that, when Prince Ludwig of Prussia had died, she was proposed for the duke of Cambridge.

So, I could see Clarence and Cumberland or at least Cambridge getting married in this scenario.

Interesting, would Clarence be allowed to marry an English heiress considering the marriage act of 1772?
 
Interesting, would Clarence be allowed to marry an English heiress considering the marriage act of 1772?

AFAIK it was the heiresses who rejected him. Something about the guy being up to his eyeballs in debt with ten kids wouldn't make him an appealing catch - even if he is royalty.
 
AFAIK it was the heiresses who rejected him. Something about the guy being up to his eyeballs in debt with ten kids wouldn't make him an appealing catch - even if he is royalty.

Aha this is true, how the kids of George III got into so much debt is something I've never figured out
 
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