Franco-Austrian Coalition victory in the Seven Years War

Alright. I want to know if it's possible, and thus, how it'll happen, for the French, Austrians, Russians, etc. can win the Seven Years War, decisively defeating the British and Prussians. I'm hoping that the Coalition can achieve victory in all 3 theaters, Europe, America, and India. The Mughals, of course, win the Battle of Plassey. Also, hopefully the Dutch and Danes enter the war on the French and Swedish side to add even more problems for the British Navy. Spain still invades Portugal, TTL successfully, and reconquers Gibraltar, while still fending off British attacks on Havana and Manila. France also wins in Senegal. Austria reconquers Silesia, totally ending Prussia following Kunersdorf, capturing Berlin. It partitions it with Russia and Sweden. Austria also keeps the Netherlands. So can it be done? (sorry it's all one paragraph but I'm using mobile right now so it can only be one)
 
Alright. I want to know if it's possible, and thus, how it'll happen, for the French, Austrians, Russians, etc. can win the Seven Years War, decisively defeating the British and Prussians. I'm hoping that the Coalition can achieve victory in all 3 theaters, Europe, America, and India. The Mughals, of course, win the Battle of Plassey. Also, hopefully the Dutch and Danes enter the war on the French and Swedish side to add even more problems for the British Navy. Spain still invades Portugal, TTL successfully, and reconquers Gibraltar, while still fending off British attacks on Havana and Manila. France also wins in Senegal. Austria reconquers Silesia, totally ending Prussia following Kunersdorf, capturing Berlin. It partitions it with Russia and Sweden. Austria also keeps the Netherlands. So can it be done? (sorry it's all one paragraph but I'm using mobile right now so it can only be one)

It's definately possible. There were several points where the Austrians and Russians could have knocked Prussia completely out of the war, the most POD'd one being at the Battle of Leuthen.

If Prussia Goes, then Austria has a free hand with the minor German States alongside Saxony and Bavaria and France can focus more on colonial fights. IOTL the biggest reasons for the French Defeat in North America was a lack of support by France to it's colonies. Ironically, if Prussia gets knocked out after losing Leuthen, France can send men and ships in time to Prevent the Fall of Ft Louisborg, and thus prevent Britain from gaining a foothold in French Canada the year after.

Meanwhile with Britain now the Sole Power in their coalition, and with more forces being Freed up from Europe to fight in North America and India, they may very well sue for peace rather than continue on if the French can prevent Louisborg from falling via sending a relief force. IMO This would take the Form of France most likely ceding their rights to the Ohio Country to gain back Haiti and their Caribbean Possessions, as well as a Status Quo Peace in India. Prussia in this scenario would have a treaty dictated to it. The Russian Plan I believe was to take East Prussia in the Peace and trade it to the PLC for the Duchy of Courland, while Austria mostly sought to gain back Silesia, which they had lost in 1748 with the Treaty of Aix La Chappele. Saxony would likely annex a small strip of land from brandenburg to connect Saxony with the PLC, and Bavaria would likely only gain financial Compensation, as their contribution was very small.

This would mean that Prussia would be reduced to a Rump Brandenburg and little else. Which would drastically alter the course of European Events.
 
Also, hopefully the Dutch ...... enter the war on the French and Swedish side to add even more problems for the British Navy.

This is quite hard, the Dutch had a relatively good relationship with Prussia and Britain. Anne of Hanover was the mother of the current (underaged) stadholder. But maybe some other factions would be more susceptible to an alliance with France. You need some pretty big political changes and a very good offer from the French. The problem though is that France is a direct thread to the Netherlands and the Dutch cannot allow the southern Netherlands to fall under French control. If you want the Dutch to join them, they must offer the Dutch something to ensure their safety,maybe something like the barrier treaty, in which the Dutch were allowed to send troops to several cities in the southern Netherlands to use them as a shield against France. Besides that you could offer the Dutch several Prussian areas that border the Netherlands, like Prussian Gueldres (which had been part of the Southern Netherlands), Lingen (which used to be in the hands of the house of Orange Nassau), (parts of) Cleves and East Frisia (which used to be Dutch puppet states before ending up Prussian). Also The British have some colonies the Dutch want, like Bencoolen in Indonesia.
 
Alright. I want to know if it's possible, and thus, how it'll happen, for the French, Austrians, Russians, etc. can win the Seven Years War, decisively defeating the British and Prussians. I'm hoping that the Coalition can achieve victory in all 3 theaters, Europe, America, and India. The Mughals, of course, win the Battle of Plassey. Also, hopefully the Dutch and Danes enter the war on the French and Swedish side to add even more problems for the British Navy. Spain still invades Portugal, TTL successfully, and reconquers Gibraltar, while still fending off British attacks on Havana and Manila. France also wins in Senegal. Austria reconquers Silesia, totally ending Prussia following Kunersdorf, capturing Berlin. It partitions it with Russia and Sweden. Austria also keeps the Netherlands. So can it be done? (sorry it's all one paragraph but I'm using mobile right now so it can only be one)
As KnightofTempest has said, it entirely possible and DireWolf did a TL on the POD he states (can't remember what it was called though). There is also the possibility of Russia not backing out as they did IOTL or even an Austrian 'victory' in the earlier War of Austrian Succession achieving a somewhat similar TL.
 
It was almost two separate wars, so you need two separate PODs. I'd recommend a French invasion of England and a longer living Tsaritsa.
 
another POD is to have Ferdinand VI of Spain die off several years earlier so that Spain, under rabidly anti British Carlos III, joins the war earlier, when entry could have made a difference.

This gives France/Spain naval combo a fighting chance against the British. With British troops occupied elsewhere, Britain will not be able to come to the aid of Portugal. It also creates a southern front from Florida in which to attack British North America.

Spain will likely still try in vain to take Gibraltar, but as with the attempt during the American Revolution, will probably just be wasting resources. Their best bet is to take something of Britain's to trade for G at the peace talks. Spain could double down on being smart by making return of Minorca to Spain (Minorca was taken by France in 1756) a condition for Spain joining the war.
 
Another POD is to eliminate Pitt/prevent him from coming to power. He was the sponsor of the policy of concentrating on defeating France in the colonies.
 
No, he wasn't. He openly argued that America was won in Germany.
My understanding is that he advocated doing just enough to tie down France on the continent, while putting major effort into eliminating/doing major damage to France's colonial empire. It wasn't an either/or scenario, but a combination of both. I've always seen him being credited with a massive colonial effort which he correctly saw that France would be unable to match if they were tied down on the continent.
 
It's definately possible. There were several points where the Austrians and Russians could have knocked Prussia completely out of the war, the most POD'd one being at the Battle of Leuthen.

If Prussia Goes, then Austria has a free hand with the minor German States alongside Saxony and Bavaria and France can focus more on colonial fights. IOTL the biggest reasons for the French Defeat in North America was a lack of support by France to it's colonies. Ironically, if Prussia gets knocked out after losing Leuthen, France can send men and ships in time to Prevent the Fall of Ft Louisborg, and thus prevent Britain from gaining a foothold in French Canada the year after.

Meanwhile with Britain now the Sole Power in their coalition, and with more forces being Freed up from Europe to fight in North America and India, they may very well sue for peace rather than continue on if the French can prevent Louisborg from falling via sending a relief force. IMO This would take the Form of France most likely ceding their rights to the Ohio Country to gain back Haiti and their Caribbean Possessions, as well as a Status Quo Peace in India. Prussia in this scenario would have a treaty dictated to it. The Russian Plan I believe was to take East Prussia in the Peace and trade it to the PLC for the Duchy of Courland, while Austria mostly sought to gain back Silesia, which they had lost in 1748 with the Treaty of Aix La Chappele. Saxony would likely annex a small strip of land from brandenburg to connect Saxony with the PLC, and Bavaria would likely only gain financial Compensation, as their contribution was very small.

This would mean that Prussia would be reduced to a Rump Brandenburg and little else. Which would drastically alter the course of European Events.

Just 2 objections

One, factual, concerning Haïti which was not conquered by Britain during the 7YW. It was the lesser french sugar islands that were conquered by british forces.

The other, a statement, concerning the Ohio country. I hardly can figure out how the british would demand and the french would accept handing over the Ohio country since even OTL the french fortifications on the Ohio valley were too much to swallow for the anglo-american forces. In your alternate history, It would make more sense for the french and british to agree on setting their common border on the Ohio river.

And there would be in India quite enough for the french to bargain in exchange for the return of their sugar islands.
 
My understanding is that he advocated doing just enough to tie down France on the continent, while putting major effort into eliminating/doing major damage to France's colonial empire. It wasn't an either/or scenario, but a combination of both. I've always seen him being credited with a massive colonial effort which he correctly saw that France would be unable to match if they were tied down on the continent.

Thag is closer to it. But he really did prioritise the continent. His genius was making it seem like the war was a colonial one (which is what the backbenchers and public wanted) while maintaining major spending in central Europe (which is what was needed). The ARW is a good example of what happens when France is not committed to a continental war and can freely spend on the Navy.
 
Just 2 objections

One, factual, concerning Haïti which was not conquered by Britain during the 7YW. It was the lesser french sugar islands that were conquered by british forces.

The other, a statement, concerning the Ohio country. I hardly can figure out how the british would demand and the french would accept handing over the Ohio country since even OTL the french fortifications on the Ohio valley were too much to swallow for the anglo-american forces. In your alternate history, It would make more sense for the french and british to agree on setting their common border on the Ohio river.

And there would be in India quite enough for the french to bargain in exchange for the return of their sugar islands.

My Rationale for India was that since the Marathas were in the war on the French Side, and niether France nor England would want their Indian proxies getting too strong, that they would agree to a Status Quo peace in India to prevent this.

As for Haiti, I could have sworn that Britain had teken the Entire French Caribbean by this point. . .
 
My Rationale for India was that since the Marathas were in the war on the French Side, and niether France nor England would want their Indian proxies getting too strong, that they would agree to a Status Quo peace in India to prevent this.

As for Haiti, I could have sworn that Britain had teken the Entire French Caribbean by this point. . .

No, they took Guadeloupe, Martinique, and many other small islands among which one named Dominique not to be confounded with Haïti then called Saint-Domingue by the french.
 
If Spain fully conquers Portugal, what do they demand in the peace deal? I don't imagine colonial possessions would do it. Do they take the Algarve back? Or do they annex more?
 
Socrates,
That's a question I've asked a couple times. I don't understand what the end game was. Spain could slice a little bit off Portugal, a little off the colonies, but overall there wasn't much Portugal had that Spain could take and expect to keep. It's possible they could use it to try trading for Gibraltar and/or Minorca, but a victorious Britain isn't going to be looking to give away holdings for the sake of another country, and a losing Britain is going to want to trade for lost possessions of their own.
 
This is quite hard, the Dutch had a relatively good relationship with Prussia and Britain. Anne of Hanover was the mother of the current (underaged) stadholder. But maybe some other factions would be more susceptible to an alliance with France. You need some pretty big political changes and a very good offer from the French. The problem though is that France is a direct thread to the Netherlands and the Dutch cannot allow the southern Netherlands to fall under French control. If you want the Dutch to join them, they must offer the Dutch something to ensure their safety,maybe something like the barrier treaty, in which the Dutch were allowed to send troops to several cities in the southern Netherlands to use them as a shield against France. Besides that you could offer the Dutch several Prussian areas that border the Netherlands, like Prussian Gueldres (which had been part of the Southern Netherlands), Lingen (which used to be in the hands of the house of Orange Nassau), (parts of) Cleves and East Frisia (which used to be Dutch puppet states before ending up Prussian). Also The British have some colonies the Dutch want, like Bencoolen in Indonesia.


Well, the way I see it, the Dutch, despite their stellar relations with the British and Prussians, were in fact scared of a British victory in the war. In fact, they actually tried to stop this. See this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chinsurah
 
Meanwhile with Britain now the Sole Power in their coalition, and with more forces being Freed up from Europe to fight in North America and India, they may very well sue for peace rather than continue on if the French can prevent Louisborg from falling via sending a relief force. IMO This would take the Form of France most likely ceding their rights to the Ohio Country to gain back Haiti and their Caribbean Possessions, as well as a Status Quo Peace in India.

IOTL, France lost the Ohio Country in 1758, Guadeloupe in 1759 and Martinique in 1762. If peace is made shortly after an Austrian victory at Luethen, there may not be much to give up.
 
Well, the way I see it, the Dutch, despite their stellar relations with the British and Prussians, were in fact scared of a British victory in the war. In fact, they actually tried to stop this. See this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chinsurah
"Relatively good" is quite different from "stellar relations". The relations between the Netherlands and Britain had soured, since Britain had been a terrible ally. Still the relations were at that point, especialy because of the relations with Britain and the house of Orange, too good for the Ntherlands to jump on the bandwagon and declare war on Britain. France, Austria, etc need to offer something and make sure the right people were listening. Those people certainly existed, but they have to overrule the "Orange party", the side of the stadholder, who at this point was beng raised by his English mother (who had quite some influence in the Netherlands). With the rather complex political situation in the Netherlands, this iscertainly possible. I am sure there are enough people in the Netherlands who want to sideline the stadholder and his allies and are perfectly willing to join the French, if they get enough in return. For example the things I mentioned in my post. I simply said it will be hard, not impossible.
 
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