Francis II survives - the Auld Alliance prospers

Susano

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Besides, if Scotland is connected to France in personal union, France will protect Scotland. And a stronger naval and anti-English focus of France is good knows for Germany of course :D
 
Well, true. Especially as the children would come, ah, from the same source. Its just different succession laws... of course France would never go away from Salic Law or else theyd have to admit some truth in the English claim.


No. If you disallow salic law, then the burgundian claim is better than the english one, as the descendent from the daughter of Louis X have a better claim than the ones of his sister. The senior claimant under non-salic law would be the Queen of Navarre.
 
Besides, if Scotland is connected to France in personal union, France will protect Scotland. And a stronger naval and anti-English focus of France is good knows for Germany of course :D

I agree.

A Magna Francia which doesn't need to devote as much of its strength to compete with a reduced England is good for Germany.

At least for the German people who won't get fought over so often. Just once ...:D:D:D:D

Sincerely, butterflies are so huge it's impossible to predict anything. This is likely to change the french religious wars for one thing and that may well butterfly away the 30-year war.
 

Susano

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I doubt it will come toa Magna Francia. I dont think a Franco-Scottish subjugation of England is really possible, at leats not long-term...
 
I doubt it will come toa Magna Francia. I dont think a Franco-Scottish subjugation of England is really possible, at leats not long-term...

Subjugation maybe not. But reducing it's power wrt OTL seems very possible, especially if England must pay for extensive army and fortification and lacks the ressources it had from Scotland OTL ( e.g. No King's Highlander's regiment on the English side ). ANd OTL, it was UK who was the main check to french power in the XVIIth and XVIIIth centuries. If you reduce that check, you are likely to see France reach farther than OTL. France may well get a stable Rhine border ITTL ( or even a bit farther - e.g. Breisach -).

But again, I think butterflies are going to fly around a lot.
 

Susano

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Subjugation maybe not. But reducing it's power wrt OTL seems very possible, especially if England must pay for extensive army and fortification and lacks the ressources it had from Scotland OTL ( e.g. No King's Highlander's regiment on the English side ). ANd OTL, it was UK who was the main check to french power in the XVIIth and XVIIIth centuries. If you reduce that check, you are likely to see France reach farther than OTL. France may well get a stable Rhine border ITTL ( or even a bit farther - e.g. Breisach)
Because England wont think of having an alliance with Habsburg. England may need to severely pay for the conflict, but France will have to, too, or it will "lose" Scotland... perfect situation for Germany as the laughing third. But yes, it all depends on butterflies, of course.
 
So, the Scots became Calvinists . . . and the Hugenots were Calvinists . . . and now they're united. The result is clear. Draka Scotland.

HA! Actually, I was reading the gorey details of 16th century Scottish history today (perhaps paying serious attention for the first time) and frankly they seem already pretty Draka without any alteration necessary.

It seems like it's not just a pleasant spring day for a Scottish noble of the period unless he leads a bloody insurrection, conspires with a foreign power, abducts poor Norwegian girls and abandons them for the hell of it, sires offspring so as to die melodramatically immediately after their birth, abducts, seduces, dethrones, bigamously marries or is exploded by Mary Queen of Scots, commits a bit of light sodomy with James, and does something crazy involving Stirling Castle. Am I wrong? Well, am I?

I get the idea this crowd runs a bit rough for Catherine de Medici's boys.

I think the matter ends with Francis II's first visit to Scotland, which concludes in a finale brutal enough to inspire a John Webster play.
 
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