France without Vicomte de Turenne?

From Wikipedia: Henri de La Tour d'Auvergne, Vicomte de Turenne, often called simply Turenne (11 September 1611 – 27 July 1675) was the most illustrious member of the La Tour d'Auvergne family. He achieved military fame and became a Marshal of France. He was one of six marshals who have been made Marshal General of France.

He had a big influence on France during the reigns of Louis XIII and XIV. And even Napoleon recommended that his commanders read Turenne's campaigns. What if he had died shortly after beginning to serve France in the early 1630s, before his military career really got started? Even though he wasn't the only good commander France had, it seems that he had a big hand in developing France as a nation in the 17th century. Is it likely that France would have come out of this period relatively the same as in OTL without him? If not, what would have likely happened to France?
 
Turenne was among the best french generals, with a particular point of interest : he defeated the rebellious prince de Condé, who was the other great general of the time. If not for Turenne, the Fronde could have triumphed over the monarchical power in the 1650'. But, given Louis XIV's personality, he would eventually crush any opposition, though at the cost of some of his foreign interventionism. Which is, in fact, great for France : the War of the Spanish Succession hit the country real hard for little gain. Maybe no Versailles, but a more powerful 18th c. France.
 
If not for Turenne, the Fronde could have triumphed over the monarchical power in the 1650'. But, given Louis XIV's personality, he would eventually crush any opposition, though at the cost of some of his foreign interventionism. Which is, in fact, great for France : the War of the Spanish Succession hit the country real hard for little gain. Maybe no Versailles, but a more powerful 18th c. France.

So from what you're saying it may have slightly changed Louis XIII's reign and some of Richelieu's plans, but by the time we get through Louis the XIV it wouldn't have that much difference in the 18th century and forward? Would there be any long-term ramifications that might extend to the 21st century? I know that's a LONG span of time on which to speculate, and would influence everything from the American Revolution to both World Wars, but I'm curious.
 

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His absence could affect the French campaign in Italy during the Piedmontese Civil War or his later role in Germany so really things could go sideways even before the end of the 30 Years War. Though, if as a result of butterflies, Guebriant lives he could fill the void as he was a fairly capable commander. Turenne and Guebriant initially served together at the beginning of Turenne's career in support of Bernard of Saxe-Weimer but the latter's early death prevented him from achieving Turenne or Conde's level of acclaim. So France has a pretty good bench when it comes to generals in the short terms but the loyalty of those generals if and when the Fronde occurs is hard to say compared with Turenne's OTL role.
 
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