France vs Japan in WWII without outside interferance.

Griffith

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Inspired by this thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/5xt8lt/world_war_2_but_with_only_france_and_poland_vs/

The basic scenarios are:
-France and Japan have their prepared forces as the start of WWII in irl and same problems with politics, ecnomics, geography, social, etc.

-Same as first one but both countries bloodlusted and throwing everything in a total war without any regard to domestic problems such as social inequality, problems with budget, etc

-This time with a one year complete prep in which both countries are fanatically analyzing each other

-Same as first scenario but Japan and France are magically beside each other via landmass

-As above but with second scenario instead.

-Again nearby landmass but third scenario instead.

-Again nearby and first scenario but both countries are separated by waters about the distance of England and Germany

-Above but with scenario two.

-Again same as above but scenario three.

The reason I was inspired to sk this thread was because of the assumption made by this specific post in the Japan and Italy vs France and Poland thread.


https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwi...=front&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=whowouldwin


Sure France lacked the will to fight Germany........ But how would it have been against a nonwhite nation invading the homeland? Remember the French were pretty aggressive about maintaining their colonies after WWII and while the wars were ultimately lost because of the general populace's waning support, the French military fought much harder than in WWII especially in colonies where they deemed the locals as inferiors and where a racial caste existed such as Algeria. In addition lets not forget when France surrendered, it was the conservative politicians who threw the towel. The same politicians who insisted on fighting wars in Vietnam and Algeria for almost two decades combined and who were not soft about doing war crimes on similar magnitude on the Imperial Japanese army.

And of course the fact Nazi Germany was a white nation who inflicted heavy casualties to the Western nations-while Japan despite being a superpower was scoffed down as a pushover and France hadn't fought Japan before and suffered such casualties..........

How would France do in this scenario? People criticize the French as having a terrible army and lacking the morale to fight. However relative to the rest of Europe at the time and even the world, the French army was still among the finest. With France defeating Italians in a the borders despite the French military in that front facing impossible odds on paper and also the French colonials in Vietnam actually giving such a bloody nose to the Thai military before the Japanese invasion they almost won. Even their handicapped army did a good performance against the invading Japanese all things considered and in the main European front there were cases of French units defeating German ones in the Battle of France.

I am especially curious in how long the battle would last in scenario one with the same general anti militarist and anti patriotic spirit in France during the pre-war period. Would a nonwhite enemy rouse up a different response from those seen in OTL against the Germans?

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