I was wondering what would happen if France lost the Battle of Bouvines in 1214. As far as I can see, the alliance under Otto had more men and it was a lack of discipline under Otto and better French generalship that caused France to win. So what if they lost.
I wonder if King John would do better in holding the family lands in France and would be better regarded by history. If this state of affairs continued I doubt France would ever become a world power. Or would England losing the lands in France be inevitable?
I don't know much about Otto IV, but I bet that this would change politics in the HRE - might even stop him being deposed.
And if John secures the confidence of British nobles with the win, then he might avoid the First Barons War - that would change British politics forever.
Also, any specific PoDs that would make France lose the battle would be interesting.
I wonder if King John would do better in holding the family lands in France and would be better regarded by history. If this state of affairs continued I doubt France would ever become a world power. Or would England losing the lands in France be inevitable?
I don't know much about Otto IV, but I bet that this would change politics in the HRE - might even stop him being deposed.
And if John secures the confidence of British nobles with the win, then he might avoid the First Barons War - that would change British politics forever.
Also, any specific PoDs that would make France lose the battle would be interesting.