France/Austria/Russia win Seven Years War
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Um I can think of a major territorial change, Prussia is crippled by a vengeful Maria Theresa with Silesia returning to Austria and the Habsburgs probably taking more territories.
East Prussia was going to be taken by Russia then sold to Poland for some other concession (I forget what, sorry)
ya but i cant imagine austria holding on to it for long...prussia wouldve seen it as a sign of humiliation, and as we all know, they didnt like being humiliated...
theyd have easily taken it back during another prussia-austrian war...probaly with half of austria along with it
Unlikely. The likely result of a Prussian defeat was an irreparably weakened Prussia. The loss of Silesia to Austria, East Prussia to the Russians/Poles, slices of Pomerania to the Swedes, likely significant concessions to Saxony, plus the loss of Rhenish territories to France.
With such significant losses in territory, Prussian defeat pretty much cripples it and kills any pretenses it has to Great Power status.
This is correct for Prussia.
In terms of Austria, she would have become once again the dominant power in Germany, and would likely have annexed further territory Westwards (e.g. Bavaria) at some point in the next fifty years. That could have swung the power balance further towards the Germans in the empire, potentially breaking the power of the Hungarians completely.
Sweden and Russia would both have increased power in the Baltic, and a showdown is likely at some point.
Poland would be interesting, in that it is likely East Prussia would be swapped for Courland. Either it's governed separately, or annexed into Poland proper, in which case the Junkers would probably try to involve themselves in future Polish elections.
France would get the Austrian Netherlands, which are very wealthy, and the extra tax base there could delay the French Revolution by some decades. That does mean, however, that British industrialists are less likely to invest in the place, potentially delaying the industrial revolution spreading to the continent. If it gets French India back that also helps.
The fate of Britain proper depends on how badly it loses. If there's a successful invasion of the place, it could be stripped of a lot of its empire. If not, its not too likely to affect Britain itself that much.
In the Americas, the French would likely be allocated the Ohio Country, but this would just be lines on the map. They might try to settle the area a bit more, but the population differences between Canada and the Thirteen Colonies means the latter will win out at some point. I can't see French settlement being widescale beyond Michigan, at best. However, the continued French threat to the British settlers means the ARW is butterflied away (or at least delayed).
MarshalBraginsky
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France/Austria/Russia winning the 7YW would have a simple PoD: prevent Peter III from switching sides, Elizabeth lives longer to eradicate Prussian power or Catherine the Great succeeds her aunt.
doubtful after that loss, as Prussia is significantlly reduced in Germany, Austria strengthened, they will need an ally or two
That gets an Austrian/Russian win but not a French one. France had already lost in India and North America, her fleets were locked in her ports, French overseas trade was being blockaded, and the invasion of Hannover had been defeated.
Indeed. Fabricating a victory on the continent is rather easy - ideas were already presented. Frederick II was almost shot at least once on the battlefield - another POD. The real question is how France can win this war overseas.
The obvious ones for each theatre are to kill off Wolfe for Canada and Clive for India, replacing them with lesser talents. Or perhaps a string of PODs in naval victories to get a successful invasion of Britan and have London begging for peace, trading in her colonial gains. The latter can also end subsidies for Prussia, causing a sooner collapse there. That said, the British navy was just better trained than the France one, so it'd be against the odds, but a few dice rolls in their favour and you can do it.
Once Prussia is out...Hannover is toast
So it makes no difference if France loses overseas they still win
If Prussia is defeated, Hanover will surely fall as Austria/Saxony/Sweden/Russia shift focus onto it.
Which essentially guarantees a French victory. A continental defeat in Hanover essentially clears all the colonial victories that Britain pulls overseas.
Why is Hannover surely toast? Neither Russia, Sweden or Austria would be interested in allowing France to dominate in Germany, and they certainly wouldn't proactively fight for it. Hannover is a very useful buffer state for all of them. Once Prussia is partioned, they'd all grab the spoils and then exit the war. That leaves Britain/Hannover versus France, which is precisely what the fight was in Western Germany in OTL. If anything, it helps out Hannover as they can reallocate troops that were guarding the Eastern front against Austria.
It realy depends on what you would call a French victory. I think that France would consider the loss of the its North American colonies, status quo before the war in India, but gaining the Austrian Netherlands and the Prussian Rhineland (and possible other gains in Europe) still a victory. Actualy I think Britain will offer to return the Northern American colonies to France, if France would leave the Austrian Netherlands, an offer the French will ofcourse refuse.
I would really like the Brits to get the Northern part of the Philippines in the 7 years war because of the genocides (like artificial famines) and resettlement horror that happened there under the Spanish.
I think Austria should get Silesia back.
I think Austria should get Silesia back.
That's very reasonable. In fact, there's a clear possibility that Austria changes sides if France is about to win.
Thinking of which - there might be a chance of Austria switching sides if France is about to loose as well. With the war against Prussia settled, and Austria on its way to dominate the Empire, it's only reasonable that France will become the main adversary in the future - and Britain will become the main ally again.
So, what exactly constitutes a "win" for Russia that also would be considered a "win" for Austria and France?
randomperson
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Germany forms as a weak french satelite
germany would probably become a frecnh puppet like the Confederation of the Rhine. more and more franco-prussian conflicts, and eventualy, a realy divided modern europe and possible a Quebecious republic in the new world.
germany would probably become a frecnh puppet like the Confederation of the Rhine. more and more franco-prussian conflicts, and eventualy, a realy divided modern europe and possible a Quebecious republic in the new world.