France and Italy go Red post-war: Is Europe screwed?

@fenwick at the end of WWII the Two Largest Navies in the world were the US Pacific Fleet and the US Atlantic Fleet with the Royal Navy in third place I do not think they will have problems with the combined fleets of the Communist countries as the US in Aug of 1945 was larger than all the other navies in the world combined.

Right but that is in a direct war. The Cold war wasn't played like that, and the WI was Communism elected. Moscow can milk that for all it is worth to Democratic countries.

Also I wonder how the Atlantic and Pacific fleets of England and the US woudl deal with having toi push their way into the Med. Right there Italy and France would have a some what level playing field.
 

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Actually i never mentioned anything about the German ports on the Baltic sea,but you have to assume that the baltic sea would have been heavily mined by the russian navy and the ports themselves would be heavily bombed by the russian airforce.What i did say was that with france as a communist country even if they did not outright join in the fighting that there was a very good chance that they would deny the Americans and British access to their ports making resupplying and reinforcing their armies incredibly difficult.

As for the whole nuclear umbrella theory i don`t deny that the whole reason the soviets never invaded Western Europe was the threat of nuclear war.I just stated that with no chance to resupply their armies and defeat more than likely staring them in the face that America would either have to abandon europe to the Russians or go nuclear a lot earlier due to being unable to defeat the russsians in a conventional military battle.

But what I was saying was that the whole war would never start in the first place, until 1949 the US had a nuclear monopoly, and no country would go up against that.

I don't see any reason that under these circumstances both France and Italy wouldn't try to play both Superpowers off against each other to maintain their own independence as communist nations, just like Yugoslavia. By 1949 this would be the accepted mode of things.

In any case, most historical analysis I've read says that Stalin had no designs on Western Europe. He wanted to establish the Comintern as a littoral of buffer states against German aggression, and considering what had just happened in the two World Wars, he had good reason.

Stalin recognized from the beginning, however, that Russia would never be able to hold all of Western Europe even if it did conquer it, since maintaining the Comintern was almost bankrupting her anyway, (and eventually did). He threatened the West constantly, yes, but that was a diplomatic ploy, much like the old dog chasing the car joke.
 
It's true that the NSDAP started as DAP and that they tried to appeal to the working class too, but as a matter of fact, the socialist part was mere rhetoric. The DAP founders Anton Drexler and Michael Lotter were a worker and a navy soldier, but Drexler was really encouraged to found the DAP (and before the "Freier Arbeiterausschuß für einen guten Frieden" = "Free worker's council for a good peace"; good as in "good for Germany") by Dr. Paul Tafel, member of the Alldeutscher Verband and one director of the Maschinenfabrik Augsburg-Nürnberg, plus a member of the Bavarian director's association, so anything but a worker.
 
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