France and Britain REALLY invade Germany in 1939

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Gregorius

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What I make is that you have a bone to pick, sorry.
Oh I am sure there were no ill intentions when Gamalin told Poles all French forces are on the offensive and then banned Polish envoys from reaching him, when they learned it was a lie.
Neither were British lying when they told Poles an air carrier will be on the Baltic.
 
Oh I am sure there were no ill intentions when Gamalin told Poles all French forces are on the offensive and then banned Polish envoys from reaching him, when they learned it was a lie.
Neither were British lying when they told Poles an air carrier will be on the Baltic.

The fact that you reply to my post, but only after cutting out all the factual data I posted, and the fact that you ignore the actual order of battle I posted earlier, only confirm my impression. Sorry.
 
As well as the points already made it should be borne in mind that the Soviets invaded Poland a couple of weeks after the Germans. It would have been fairly easy for the Germans to reinforce the West if the French (and it would only have been the French) looked like posing a threat.

The Allied plan did not include saving Poland. It was misleading (or a lie depending on your feeling) to suggest to the Poles that the Allies could help them in the first few months.

AFAIK the Allied plan was to wait for the Germans to throw themselves at the Maginot line until France and Britain had fully mobilized. Then in about 1941 with the BEF increased to 50 divisions the Allies would launch large 1918 scale offensives and crush Germany.
 
As well as the points already made it should be borne in mind that the Soviets invaded Poland a couple of weeks after the Germans. It would have been fairly easy for the Germans to reinforce the West if the French (and it would only have been the French) looked like posing a threat.

Interestingly, for that little research I did years ago, I also looked up when German divisions were moved from Poland to the Phoney War front (or at least to the central reserve in Germany). The first 6 infantry divisions were transferred during the month of - wait for it - September 1939. I managed to pinpoint the actual dates for four of them: on the 17, 19, 24 and 28.
The day of the Soviet invasion, as we all remember, was September 17.

During October 1939, the Germans removed from Poland 14 infantry or motorized infantry divisions, 2 mountain divisions, and 3 Leichte divisions for the transformation into panzer divisions.
 
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Assuming France and Great Britain did invade Germany after it invades Poland they fail to make a break threw in the Maginot line so they try to go through Belgium. The Belgians let them because they're scared. However by the time the allies do this Germany is already ready for them. The British and French who can no longer break threw prepare for another World War 1 scenario. Then the Germans use Blitzkrieg and demolish the allied lines. After doing this the allies are forced to surrender since they lost all they're forces. Great Britain might still try to fight because it's and island nation. As Germany conquers the rest of Europe He then attacks . Without Great Britain however the Soviet Union collapses and Germany wins. Finally Pearl Harbor occurs and with that Germany and Japan launch full scale assaults against the USA. The USA surrenders and the war ends with Germany in control of most of Africa, Europe, parts of the Middle East. Japan Controls Asia and Oceania. America gets left alone but loses Alaska and Hawaii and all territory in Asia. The Soviet Union and all other major nations like China, India, France, and Great Britain are destroyed or renamed and made puppet states.
 

Pomphis

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I wargamed this a couple of times with the Europa series. The outcome was always a nasty winter war, france collapsing roughly historically, amybe a month earlier, maybe a month later, germany suffering greater infantry losses and the BEF being destroyed. The allies never invaded belgium, and the french always needed the BEF to plug holes, and when the panzer divisions struck in spring the BEF was too far away from the coast. Germany can redeploy units from poland fast, and if poland holds two weeks longer that´s no problem.
 
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