France and Britain make Peace, how do they get back in the fight and other questions.

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Imagine the Halifax becomes PM and pursues a policy of peace with Germany before the evacuation of dunkirk (dunkerque?). France is independent, mutilated but not killed whatever peace is signed.

Imagine it is as Halifax said and he is actually committed to returning to the war at some point. At what point does britain declare war with whatever allies she can manage?

What excuses are available to britain to get back to war?

Will the citizens of the UK and france be up for it?

What does japan do, and how does that affect Wellies war plans

Same for the US


I've asked a lot of questions, any thoughts on the answers?
(yeah sorry about that poll)
 
Perhaps if Germany attacked a British or French territory or tried to shut down easy access to oil from Africa?

Either way in this scenario Germany is going to be a lot more successful in attacking the Soviet Union as they will have an extra million troops for the invasion, an additional 2000 fighter craft and will not have to worry about long range bombing from the RAF.
 
And no blockade, so Germany can buy huge amounts of foreign oil it couldn't during and after Barbarossa.

Means that when UK and France get back in, blockade could be more effective, germGer have built fewer coal liquification plants and related infrastructure.
 
Barbarossa is the obvious point. Hit Germany with a trade embargo or full blockade and see how they respond, with the Here fully committed in the East.

You'd want to make sure that you'd rebuilt your armies a bit though!
 
How long until UK and France are ready to fight Germany? There combined military industry should be greater than Germany's. However in such a one sided peace surly Germany would make sure France is demilitarised.
 
I don't know that Britain rejoins the war unless it looks like the Soviets could conceivably conquer Germany.
 
And no blockade, so Germany can buy huge amounts of foreign oil it couldn't during and after Barbarossa.

Means that when UK and France get back in, blockade could be more effective, germGer have built fewer coal liquification plants and related infrastructure.

Sorry but buy it with what? They were all but broke in 1940. They could essentially barter with the Soviets, but that wasn't a viable long term strategy. After all the USSR gets major benefits from German machine tools that will last for years and could accept cutting them off, but Germany needs uninterrupted access to basic resources, food especially.

The point of the synthetic fuel and rubber plants was to increase self-sufficiency, so Germany is unlikely to slow those down. The German economy is a creaking mess, if France had held out Wehrmacht logistics would have collapsed in an alarmingly short time.
 
@Garrison

Sorry yeah, I don't know what germany would be able to buy oil with. afaik they bought oil for Romania, what did the romanians get in return? Could Germany buy venezuelan oil with french reparations tokens or something. Also on the point about synthetics fuel, I agree that what ever slow down might occur would be minimal even if overseas oil was available. However, de-mechanization of the presumably wouldn’t occur, or atleast to the same extent if germany has greater access to oil.


@Wendell

Do you mean Britain and France would never be in a position to fight germany on land alone, or just that they would not risk it?
 
@Garrison

Sorry yeah, I don't know what germany would be able to buy oil with. afaik they bought oil for Romania, what did the romanians get in return? Could Germany buy venezuelan oil with french reparations tokens or something. Also on the point about synthetics fuel, I agree that what ever slow down might occur would be minimal even if overseas oil was available. However, de-mechanization of the presumably wouldn’t occur, or atleast to the same extent if germany has greater access to oil.

I think the Romanians it was basically a situation of trade with Germany or else, so they took Deutschmarks and industrial goods. I know on one occasion Germany actually supplied Bf-109s either to Romania or Hungary to trade for goods, even though Hitler tried to veto the sale. I suspect they would have basically taken France's gold and foreign currency reserves, as they did previously with Austria and Czechoslovakia, which would temporarily have alleviated the situation. What Germany really needs is to revive it's civilian economy to generate exports and bring in foreign currency. At the same time there's going to be huge internal pressure to raise living standards if Germany has 'won' the war. Construction of housing, consumer goods(meaning basics such as stoves rather than luxury items), food supplies, had all been subordinated to the rearmament drive. One thing for the populous to accept that in a war for survival, not so much when the war was over.

I would heartily recommend 'Wages of Destruction' if you want to learn about the ramshackle nature of the Nazi economy.
 
@Garrison

Sorry yeah, I don't know what germany would be able to buy oil with. afaik they bought oil for Romania, what did the romanians get in return? Could Germany buy venezuelan oil with french reparations tokens or something. Also on the point about synthetics fuel, I agree that what ever slow down might occur would be minimal even if overseas oil was available. However, de-mechanization of the presumably wouldn’t occur, or atleast to the same extent if germany has greater access to oil.


@Wendell

Do you mean Britain and France would never be in a position to fight germany on land alone, or just that they would not risk it?
The latter more than the former.
 
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