François Armand, Prince of Conti

Louis François Joseph de Bourbon (1734-1814) was the last Prince of Conti. In 1759 he married Maria Fortunata d'Este. The couple never had children.​
Suppose Louis François and Maria Fortunata have one son.​
He is Prince François Armand. François Armand is born in 1762.​
How will François Armand, Prince of Conti, get involved with the French government?​
 
Louis François Joseph de Bourbon (1734-1814) was the last Prince of Conti. In 1759 he married Maria Fortunata d'Este. The couple never had children.​
Suppose Louis François and Maria Fortunata have one son.​
He is Prince François Armand. François Armand is born in 1762.​
How will François Armand, Prince of Conti, get involved with the French government?​

With a birthdate of 1762, he probably joins his kinsman the Prince of Conde leading the exiles during the Revolution. If D'Enghien is still executed by Bonaparte and his minions, Conti will probably inherit both the Conde/Conti claims and eventual becomes the Prince of Conde (if he lives that long). If his male children, those sons/grandsons will become Princes of the Blood and will probably side with the senior Bourbons over the scheming Orleans. It would be interesting if 1830 still happens and Charles X turns to Francois Armand instead of Louis Phillippe to be protector/regent for the young Henri V.
 
Louis François Joseph de Bourbon (1734-1814) was the last Prince of Conti. In 1759 he married Maria Fortunata d'Este. The couple never had children.
Suppose Louis François and Maria Fortunata have one son.​
He is Prince François Armand. François Armand is born in 1762.​
How will François Armand, Prince of Conti, get involved with the French government?​




Prince de La Roche-sur-Yon [?] (...- 2 August 1776)
Count de La Marche (2 August 1776 - 13 March 1814)
Prince de Conti (13 March 1814 - ...)

he would have been an insignificant French prince, and he would live in complete poverty.


Louis-François-Joseph de Bourbon-Conti, on the death of his father in 1776, he found his succession stronglyburdened as a result of spending spree. Although scrupulously has repaid the debts of his father, he will follow his example.
61.650 livres for built the funeral chapel in the church of l'Isle-Adam.
430.000 livres for the restoration of the Château de L'Isle-Adam at L'Isle-Adam, major «propriété de campagne» of the House of Conti, in the heart of a magnificent hunting area.
630.000 livres for the construction of stables that can hold up to 250 horses.
he buys Le Plessis-Saint-Antoine, near La Queue-en-Brie, for 160.000 livres, La Lande for 200.000 and Les Embalais for 20.000.
he established on the farm of La Plessis-Saint-Antoine stables for 200 horses and kennels for 200 dogs.
In 1781 he even acquired the lordship of Champagne-sur-Oise for the sum of 124.000 livres.
To settle these expenses, he had to proceed to make a lot of sales.
In March 1777, he sold the County of Alais to the Marquis de Castries.
In April a part of the rich collection of paintings, which his father had held, is dispersed.
he sells for 166.000 livres his Hôtel in Versailles, located on the Place d'Armes (on which was built the current Hôtel de Ville[City Hall]).
In September 1778, he sold the mill of the Naze in Valmondois.
In 1779, he sold for 27.000 livres le Château de Leyrit in Auvers.
In 1781 Delincourt for 68.000 livres.
in 1782 Lattainville and two sites in Paris, rue de Bellechasse and Quai d'Orsay.
Finally, on 7 October 1783, he sold the rest of his patrimony to the Count of Provence Louis Stanislas Xavier, the King's brother, as dummy of the King in person: Louis XVI should have the bare ownership and he declared that he did not intend to bring these possessions to the "biens de la couronne", but he wanted to have dispose separatly, thereafter, at its option; the Count of Provence, the dummy, would have only the usufruct for life; Prince de Conti has reserved for himself the enjoyment until his death for the "châteaux et parcs" de L'Isle-Adam, Stors, Trie, with the right to hunt and fish in the forests and rivers of the L'Isle-Adam and other land Vexin.
The King had to pay him a capital of 1.480.000 livres and the interest as until full payment.
But in the coffers of the King there were no more money.
pusillanimous during the Revolution, Louis-François-Joseph de Bourbon-Conti came crying to his knees in front of the brother-in-law the Duke de Penthièvre, imploring him protection.

After the definitive separation of his parents in June 1777, the fictitious François Armand during the reign of Louis XVI lived in Paris with his mother at the Hôtel du Lude rue in Saint-Dominique (his hotel is in the possessions' list of the House of Conti at the National Archives) or in the domaine of Triel. As nephew of the Duke de Penthièvre [Maria Fortunata d'Este (1734–1803) was sister of Maria Teresa Felicitas d'Este (1726–1754), wife of Louis Jean Marie de Bourbon-Penthièvre], he would have enjoyed the hospitality of the prince in his many castles.
I fear that he would be even close at the bad company of the Duke of Orléans, Philippe Égalité, and his child, the Duke of Chartres (future king Louis-Philippe) :mad::mad::mad:

He left France with his father on 12 July 1789, before the events of 14 July, and to traveled to Turin, where he finds the Comte d'Artois and his coterie.
He not returned to France in contrast to his father in April 1790, after that Louis XVI accepts the principles of the Constitution.
he went to Fribourg in Switzerland already in 1791 to his mother, or he disappears at the court of the Duke of Modena.
certainly he went to Fribourg in 1794, when comes the young Adélaïde de Bourbon-Orléans, daughter of Philippe Égalité. Afterward he went to Landshut, then Presburg.
10 January 1802, with Adélaïde, he left the Princess de Conti for to travel to Barcelona to join his father. Maria Fortunata d'Este left in turn Pressburg on 6 October 1802 to retire in Venice at the Visitation Convent.
the Prince de Conti was deported to Spain on September 4, 1797. He moved to Barcelona in Palao palace in a dilapidated state. He spends his time between his table and box at the theater. He lives surrounded by his last faithfuls: Madame de Chantemesle, his latest mistress, and M. Froget, his gentleman of honor. He also receives visits from the Duchess of Orleans and the Duchess of Bourbon, who also live near Barcelona.

He adapts to the occupation of Spain by Napoleon's armies.
With the death of his father, on 13 March 1814, he becomes Prince de Conti.
he returned to France at the Court of Louis XVIII.

in complete poverty, François Armand would have been found died of cold at the foot of one of the pillars of the Tuileries, as his aunt Amélie-Gabrielle-Stéphanie-Louise de Bourbon-Conti on 21 March 1825 :D:D:D



Conti will probably inherit both the Conde/Conti claims and eventual becomes the Prince of Conde



he would not be the sole heir of the last Conde, unless it had been named as such by means of a will. he would inherit only a (small) part, because the natural heirs were the princes of Rohan.
The last prince of Condé has appointed heir, by a will, the Duke of Aumale, son of Louis-Philippe d'Orléans.
Louis-Philippe has killed for the 66 millions de francs, the fabulous legacy of the last Condé! :cool:
Certainly François Armand would mysteriously dead in turn before 30 August 1830 :D:D:D





 
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Urbanus VII, a tangential guestion. Me and Constantine were interested in the properties of House of Conti, but I was unable to find precisely what they owned in 1760-1770 (that's for another project unrelated to Apollinis et Dianae, a 18th century one). That post of yours is very informative, but I hope you would not object to PM asking for more.
Also (even more tangent), do you know any good Italian-language sources on genealogy of Venetian House of Morosini (I searched, but my Italian leaves much to be desired despite 4 years studying it in college - I thought a native speaker would have more luck)?
 
Urbanus VII, a tangential guestion. Me and Constantine were interested in the properties of House of Conti, but I was unable to find precisely what they owned in 1760-1770

My knowledge of the assets of the French nobility is not exhaustive and is limited to the period of the French Revolution, but I like to search, seek, look for; the sans-culottes did a great job: to be sure to confiscate to the «émigrés» all their property, they have drawn up lists complete and accurate.

You can see:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biens_de_la_branche_de_Conti
http://amisdelisleadam.org/louis-francois-joseph-conti.php


Also (even more tangent), do you know any good Italian-language sources on genealogy of Venetian House of Morosini (I searched, but my Italian leaves much to be desired despite 4 years studying it in college - I thought a native speaker would have more luck)?


I think you're interested in Morosini family in relation to the figure of Francesco Morosini (Roma 1619 - Nauplia 1694), the hero of Candia and Morea, which earned him the title "il Peloponnesiaco". But, also, he has been also the cause of the destruction of the Parthenon.
I do not consider him guilty. The blame was of the stupid Turks!
At Morosini is ordered to conquer Athens.
Only half of his men are Venetians ("schiavoni" Dalmatians included), the rest are Germans, of Milan, of Tuscany, of Malta.
The siege of Athens was a minor militarily episode, rather insignificant, in the war of Morea.
At the moment of the siege, the Turks shut themselves into the Acropolis, already transformed into a fortress, and they stored the gunpowder in the building more solid: the Parthenon.
The Venetians, to eradicate the Turkish resistance, have to blow up the powder and the bombing lasted for two days, until the explosion. 26 September 1687.
At firing the fatal shot seems to have been a German gunner of Lüneburg.
The explosion was immense, an eyewitness reports that the Acropolis looked like «a Mongibello» (the name by which time it was indicated the Sicilian volcano Etna).
The greek temple, arrived almost intact from the time of Pericles, has burned for two days and the explosion kills two or three hundred people (victims ignored of a forgotten tragedy). Since that time the Parthenon became a ruin and the Athenians were using the limestone blocks to cook and optain the lime. The blocks not smooth, that is those with bas-reliefs, were more appreciated because they absorbed the heat better.
This explains why Lord Elgin [Thomas Bruce, 7th Earl of Elgin and 11th Earl of Kincardine (1766-1841)] is considered a savior of the metopes of Phidias: if he had not brought to London, would risk ending up in the pot.
Without Francesco Morosini, would not have existed even "a" Lord Elgin.

But I'm digressing. I tried to do some research on the goods and securities of the Morosini family, but it is very difficult because it is divided into several branches.
I was able to collect only some fragmentary news and some curious anecdote.
As with any "rich" family in Venice, at least in the heyday of the Republic and before the Austrian domination, it was not important to have a noble title, but be enrolled in the «Patriziato», and enrollment in the «Libro d'Oro», the register of nobles jealously guarded in the Palazzo Ducale.
The Venetian «Patriziato» was one of the three social bodies in which was divided the society of the Venetian Republic, together with the citizens and «foresti» (foreigners). The title was shortened before the name, the initials N.H. (Nobil Homo).
The «Patriziato» had exclusive possession of political power. This social body was the only one to have the privilege to sit on the «Maggior Consiglio», the highest governing body of the city. Inside the «Patriziato» (aristocracy), reigned the absolute political equality among all members. Every vote, including the Doge's vote, had the same value in the course of the voting of the «Maggior Consiglio». Every patrician carried with it a portion of that sovereignty in which he participated, along with the other members of his class. This made the Venetian patricians, in the hierarchy of nobility, of a rank equal to that of "princes of the blood" (also given the equal opportunity to rise to the royal rank of Doge).
For this reason the patricians had served well themselves and the State as a galley captains, merchants, ambassadors, governors, public officials and other forms of civil organization and military of the Republic. Being Venetian patricians was an honor for the entire European nobility and was common among princes and kings seek and obtain the title of «Nobil Homo»: Venetian patricians were, among others, the King of France, the Savoy, the Mancini, the Mazarin, the papal families Orsini and Colonna...
The origins of Morosini family are uncertain, but certainly very ancient. A legend says that Morosini had come in Laguna fleeing from Attila.
For this reason, in the «Patriziato», they belonged to the group of «Case Vecchie» (Old Houses), "corpus" of the twenty-four families most powerful and constantly engaged in the political life of the Venetian. It should also be pointed out that a tradition has called twelve of these families "apostolic" (Contarini, Tiepolo, Morosini, Michiel, Badoer, Sanudo, Gradenigo-Dolfin, Memmo, Valier, Dandolo, Polani e Barozzi) and other four "evangelical" (Giustinian, Corner, i Bragadin e Bembo): obviously you wanted to approach the history of Venice to the Church, founded on the Twelve Apostles and advocated by the Four Evangelists.


Another problem to reconstruct the assets of the family: the Venetian nobility went another peculiar character in their mercantile vocation. Contrary to the feudal nobility, in fact, the patricians in Venice based its power not on the possession of land, but the wealth of trade with the East, at the base of the economy.
For this reason the Morosini family (the principal branch Gatterburg-Morosini, and the others) is only between 1816 and 1819 that they received the title of count in the Empire of Austria, in 1890 also recognized by the Kingdom of Italy.




In 982 the twenty-fifth Doge Tribune Memmo donated the Island Memmia [now the Isola di San Giorgio Maggiore, a small island located in front of Piazza San Marco; since the founding of Venice, the island was owned by the aristocratic family of Memmo] at a Benedictine monk, Giovanni Morosini. They decided to reclaim the area adjacent to the church to build a monastery (the monastery of San Giorgio Maggiore), of which he was the first abbot.
The Benedictines since then always imposed to all members of the family Morosini who entered in their monasteries the name Giovanni.

The Morosini (the branch of «dalla tressa di S. Silvestro») were owners of significant amounts of land in the countryside to the left of the Brenta river, near Bassano.
At that time they had commercial and agricultural interests in Bassano and Cartigliano, Tezze and Rossano, where they owned land, factories and a mill. The intention of the family was not only to expand the production of wool, but also to invest capital in a program of agricultural use of the land. at Cartigliano the first nucleus of the building, later took on the likeness of a large villa. The landed property, was increased from year to year for supervening acquisitions.

Morosina Valley, one of the largest located in the southern lagoon of Venice. A portion of the valley (122 fields) belonged to the family Morosini. In the Morosina Valley gathered annually 500 «corbe» of eels, about 50 tons.

Villa Morosini at Polesella, in Polesine. The area near the left bank of the Po River, about a mile away from the center of Polegate, perhaps had a manor house from the fifteenth century. The construction of a residence for the holiday dates back to the sixteenth century, when the Venetian Pietro Morosini bought the landed property of the family Graziadei of Ferrara, deciding to expand the existing structure to transform it into a real villa.
The villa was inhabited by Francesco Morosini "il Peloponnesiaco" («della Sbarra di Santo Stefano»); at his victory over the Turks was dedicated the chapel set up in 1690 in one of the corner towers included in the boundary wall.

In 1503 Venice gives at Pandolfo IV Malatesta (1475-1534), surnamed «Pandolfaccio», Cittadella (military outpost, service center and market near Padua), in exchange for his rights about Rimini. A few years after the Malatesta donated (a feudal investiture) the place of Sant'Anna to Morosini with every privilege and power on it. Thus, the various income from rights of cultivation, hunting, fishing, cutting of forests, etc. of that place became the exclusive prerogative of the noble Venetian family.
From this nevralgic place, that the Morosini family has elected to headquarters, carried out a campaign of purchases of properties in all the neighboring countries since the end of the fifteenth century that will take them in a few years to be one of the main landowners patrician families of the place.


Sanvincenti (in Croatian Svetvinčenat) is a town in Croatia located in the south central part of Istria, important for the Benedictine abbey of San Vincenzo (IX-X century, from which comes the toponym of the town). The feud turns out to be of the Morosini family («della Sbarra di San Giovanni in Laterano») and of the Dukes of Austria, at least until 1523, the date that marks the final sale of the share of the latter to the Venetian family.
In 1532 Peter and Andrea Morosini have promoted the restructuring of the Castle, which will become the residence of Andrea, followed by the construction of the new parish church.
Andrea Morosini had two daughters, Elizabeth and Angela, and a son, Peter, who will die prematurely. Elizabeth, called Morosina, and Angela married, on the same day, the two brothers Marino and Almorò Grimani of the branch of San Luca. The Castle takes of the denomination of «Castello Grimani».
The Dogaressa of Venice Morosina Morosini (1545-1614), wife of the Doge Marino Grimani (1532-1605), is remembered for her own coronation as official consort conducted with enormous pomp and ceremony in 1597, when she got the honor of the Papal Golden Rose by Pope Clement VII in the Patriarchal Cathedral Basilica of Saint Mark [see P. G. Molmenti, La dogaressa di Venezia, Torino, 1884, pp. 289-303].


Silba is an island located 29 miles NW of Zara. Silba is the Croatian name of the island, while the old one is Selbo and the Italian is Selve. Is it no know how and when the island became the property of the Morosini family.
Because of the distance, it was difficult for Morosini hold the island and receive products due, so in 1770 it was agreed with the inhabitants of Silba the annual payment of 2.000 «Lire Veneziane». Each family paid in proportion to the land owned and the Silbani called this rent «il Quarto» (The Fourth) because it corresponded to the fourth of the goods produced from the island.
The family retained ownership of the island until the first quarter of the nineteenth century.
In 1838 the Morosini sold the island for 28.500 «Lire Austriache» to Marko Ragusin of Lussinpiccolo, who had returned rich from the Americas.




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[1] The Parthenon in 1667: you can see the minaret built by the Mohammedans.
[2] The Parthenon with a small mosque in its interior. Plan and drawing of north side after Morosini's bombardment of the building.
The Ottomans generally respected the ancient monuments in their territories, and did not destroy the antiquities of Athens, though it no had an actual program to protect them. However, in times of war, were willing to demolish it in order to procure material for walls and fortifications.









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Snip good Morosini stuff
We found a distant cousin of his who we used for purpose of TL - and in fact it works good in story as IIRC doges had specific anti-nepotism clause to obey AKA not promoting first and second degree relatives.
What I looked for is not their PROPERTIES but the info on descendants of the "Grand" Morosini's siblings.
http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/francesco-morosini_(Dizionario-Biografico)/
And he had at least some. But the genealogy tree of children of Pietro di Michele Morosini is something I was unable to find. Treccani.it was hugely useful when working on Italian part on the TL.
 
It is really hard to find a genealogy of Morosini family.
Not even in the precious genealogy websites of Davide Shamà «Genealogie delle Famiglie Nobili Italiane» and «Genealogie delle famiglie nobili del Mediterraneo» (Gotha of the Mediterranean Nobility) is treated the Morosini family.


doges had specific anti-nepotism clause


On the question of nepotism, Francesco Morosini was in a position of advantage.
after the victory of Francesco Morosini in Coron in August 1685, the Senate decreed that «alla famiglia et a posteri... devasi... estendere un visibile e patente testimonio del publico gradimento» (to the family and to posterity, we must extend a visible testimony of the public liking): the brother Lorenzo is thus created Knight of San Marco (ASV, Senato Terra, reg. 210, cc. 343r-344r, 29/8/1685).
In addition, to the children of Lorenzo Morosini is given access in the «Maggior Consiglio» even though they do not have the statutory age (ASV, Maggior Consiglio, Deliberazioni, reg. 41, Ballarinus pater, cc. 251v-252r, 23/4/1668).



I managed to rebuild only this simple scheme:

A) Michiel di (=son of) Marcantonio Morosini (1559 - 1608), branch of «della Banda (also: della Sbarra)» or «Sguardolini di S. Stefano» [counted among his ancestors the sixty Doge, Michele Morosini (1308 - 1382)];
Its members were called «Sguardolini» perhaps because they had red hair: in Venetian dialect «suardolìn» means "vermilion, reddish". Francesco Morosini "il Peloponnesiaco" had, in fact, red hair;
married, in second wedding Daniela di (=daughter of) Lorenzo Badoer;
A1) Marcantonio Morosini (Venice, 21 October 1591 - Bergamo, 1 August 1630, of bubonic plague);
1610, attend of the extraordinary Embassy in France of Andrea Gussoni e Agostino Nani;
March 1621, Venetian envoy in Turin;
November 1621, ambassador to the Dutch Republic;
April 1624, ambassador to France;
1626, ambassador to Turin;
Elected 28 April 1628 by the «Maggior Consiglio» "Capitano" in Bergamo (18 October 1628 - end of March 1630);

B1) Daniela Morosini , married Girolamo Lando; she inherited by his brother Marcantonio the diamond given to him by the king of France, Louis XIII;

C1) Lorenzo Morosini (1594-1643), Podestà (governor) of Verona (1635-36);

D1) Pietro Morosini (1595-1667), Podestà of Brescia (1654-56)
[1] married Marietta di Gabriel Morosini. In 1620 falls into the water in the Brenta river, not far from the villa that the family owns along the river, where he spends the summer. Maria holds out his hand to her husband to help him go up, but falls into the water in turn. And is she to die drowned, while the husband save himself. Accident? In the city there are rumors: A sort of divorce «alla veneziana» (venetian mode)?
[2] married in 1628 Laura di Costantino Priuli, Podestà di Bergamo, widow of Francesco Malipiero. She brings in dowry the palace in Santo Stefano, now Palazzo Morosini, where it moved the whole family;
D1.1) [1] Michieletto Morosini (Venice, 2 June 1611 - 8 September 1678); he was overshadowed from the cumbersome star brother Francesco, captain from overflowing personality, cocky hero and future Doge; he inherited from his uncle Marcantonio 10.000 «ducati» from the sale of gold, diamonds, precious vessels;
March 1648 - July 1652 ambassador to France;
envoy, with Alvise Contarini, for the Venetian Republic at the Congress of Münster 15 May 1648, the Peace of Westphalia;
in October 1648 he had to manage the explicit request of Mazarin to get the ascription to the Venetian nobility, however, granted by the Senate by an overwhelming majority, to secure a "place friend" where possibly convey his personal fortunes;
1661, with Angelo Correr, extraordinary embassy in England at the King Charles II;
1662 Podestà of Padua;
May 1671-May 1672 ambassador in Rome at Clement X;

D1.2) [1] a daughter;

D1.3) [1] Francesco Morosini "il Peloponnesiaco" (Venice, 26 February 1619 - Nauplia, 6 January 1694);
In his will establishes that are celebrated in all the churches of Venice six thousand "masses for the dead" in three months, and let the real property to the first-born males of each generation, as long as they are called Francesco like him;

D1.4) [2] Lorenzo Morosini, Knight of San Marco;
married Regina Giustiniana;
D1.4.1) Michele Morosini;
married Foscarina Marcello di Giacomo di Andrea;
D1.4.1.1) Francesco Morosini (1712-1764);
married Caterina Ruzzini;

D1.4.1.2) Francesco Lorenzo Morosini (Venice, 21 June 1714 - Treviso, 1 December 1793);
he has had as a mistress the Countess Paolina Stratico, wife of N.H. Matteo Pizzamano;
another mistress was Marianne de Charpillon: «It was at Vauxhall Gardens in the summer of 1762 that Marianne de Charpillon was spotted by Francesco Lorenzo Morosini, the new Venetian ambassador to the Court of St James, and former ambassador to France. In her mid-teens, perfectly-formed, stunningly beautiful and no doubt with the highly-prized commodity of her virginity still intact, Mademoiselle de Charpillon appeared to be just what Morosini was looking for to amuse him during his one-year sojourn in London...»;
December 1739 Podestà of Chioggia;
April 1743 - August 1747 ambassador in Spain;
September 1747 - Dicember 1751 ambassador in France;
November 1760 ambassador in London, with Tommaso Querini, for the coronation of George III; in London he has undertaken a series of talks with the Russian ambassador Mikhail Voronzov to probe the possibility of a commerce treaty Venetian-Russian (failed);
D1.4.1.2.1) Francesco Morosini (1751 - Venice, 15 January 1796 or 1801);
Podestà of Bergamo in 1779
married 27 April 1772 Loredana Maria Grimani (after 1750 - 23 June 1828), only daughter of Giovanni Grimani [branch Grimani dei Servi] (25 August 1728 - ...), married 1750 Caterina Contarini;
D1.4.1.2.1.1) Elisabetta (1779-1836), married in 1779 Count Paolo Antonio von Gatterburg de Gioanniti (Austrian)
D1.5) [2] Michele Morosini.




 
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