Formula 1 What Ifs

Essentially the Formula 1 version of the Sports What Ifs thread from 1950 up to the present day.

The following is my own ATL F1 What Ifs.

1950s


- Louis Chiron winning the 1950 Monaco Grand Prix driving a Maserati and later winning the 1955 Monaco Grand Prix driving a Lancia

- Juan Manuel Fangio beating Alberto Ascari twice to win his 3nd (with BRM in the alternate BRM Type 15) and 4rd titles in 1952/1953 and winning his 5th and last title in 1954

- Alberto Ascari somehow managing to win the 1955/1956 titles driving for Scuderia Lancia in the Lancia D50 against Fangio in the very competitive Mercedes-Benz W196 (with Mercedes-Benz never withdrawing from F1 until the early 1970s)

- Bob Gerard winning the 1950 Brooklands Grand Prix driving an ERA

- Louis Rosier winning the 1951 Brooklands Grand Prix driving a Talbot-Lago

- Ken Wharton winning the 1952 Brooklands Grand Prix driving a Frazer Nash-Bristol

- Peter Collins winning the 1953 Brooklands Grand Prix driving a HWM-Alta

- Robert Manzon winning the 1952 Belgian Grand Prix driving a Gordini

- Dennis Poore winning the 1952 British Grand Prix driving a Connaught-Lea-Francis (followed closely by Mike Hawthorn driving a Cooper-Bristol)

- Jack Fairman winning the 1956 British Grand Prix driving a Connaught-Alta

- Bugatti’s return to F1 with the alternate 1956 Bugatti Type 251 was more successful compared to real-life and their F1 program being moderately successful managing to win 14 Grand Prix races in total over a 14 year period prior to Bugatti withdrawing from F1 in 1970

- Sterling Moss becoming Champion in 1957 (albeit for Maserati) and winning his first race in the 1953 British Grand Prix driving a Connaught Type-B featuring a rear-mounted 2.5 Coventry Climax FPE V8 “Godiva” (the engine quickly being the most powerful for the next two F1 seasons at the British Grand Prix powering to victory not only Connaught later with its advanced Connaught J5 / J3 car but also Cooper in the hands of Jack Brabham in the 1955 British Grand Prix as well as Horace Gould a year before driving a Kieft-Climax F1 car with the “Godiva” FPE V8 engine whilst the Climax-powered HWM and Cooper teams managed to score relatively consistent podiums and points during the 1953-1954 F1 seasons)

- Ron Flockhart wins his only race in the 1956 Italian Grand Prix driving a Connaught-Alta

- Carroll Shelby wins his only race in the 1958 Argentine Grand Prix as well as finishing 2nd in the 1958 British Grand Prix driving an (alternate) Aston Martin DBR5 with teammate Roy Salvadori also finishing 2nd (along with 3rd and 2nd place finishes in the 1958 British and German Grand Prix respectively) in the 1958 Italian Grand Prix prior to Aston Martin withdrawing from Formula One to focus on sportscar racing (though later returning to F1 during the early-1990s with a 3.5-litre Cosworth V12 engine)

1960s & 1970s

- O.S.C.A Automobili would compete in a few more F1 seasons using a (170 + hp @ 11.000 rpm) 1.5 (air-cooled?) Twin-Cam V8 engine with Desmodromic valves designed by Fabio Taglioni of Ducati fame

- Mike Parkes winning his first race at the 1966 Italian Grand Prix for Ferrari

- Jim Clark winning the 1966 Dutch and 1967 Monaco Grand Prix driving a Lotus-Climax (teammate Graham Hill following behind in the latter race driving a Lotus-BRM with Denny Hulme remaining Champion of the 1967 F1 season driving a Brabham-Repco)

- Chris Amon winning the 1968 Spanish as well as the 1968 Belgium and 1968 Dutch Grand Prixes driving for Ferrari and finishing 3rd in the Driver’s Championship (followed by later wins in the 1971 and 1972 French Grand Prix for Matra along with his last win at the 1976 Belgium Grand Prix driving an Ensign-Ford)

- The following would develop into worthy challengers to the Cosworth DFV V8's dominance (until the end of the 1985 season). From the alternate Repco V8 (initially used by Cooper in the late-1960s) and Weslake V12 plus the Matra V12 (lasted until 1984), Maserati V12 (- later Maserati V8 from 1970), Alfa Romeo Flat-12 / Alfa Romeo, V12, Abarth V8 and Alpine V8 (– the latter until 1976) as well as the Coventry Climax V8 / Coventry Climax W12 (aka Trident W12) and BRM V12 later BRM V8

-BRM would produce the 1969 BRM P142, considered the first ground-effect car.

- Carlos Pace winning the 1973 Austrian Grand Prix driving a Surtees-Ford

- Abarth would enter F1 from 1967 until 1971 with a fairly successful F1 effort managing to win 4 races,

- Tom Pryce winning his first race at the 1976 Brazilian Grand Prix driving a Shadow-Cosworth

1980s

- Emerson Fittipaldi winning the 1980 United States Grand Prix driving a Fittipaldi-Ford

- Riccardo Patrese winning his and Arrows first Grand Prix in the 1980 United States Grand Prix West (and later the 1981 San Marino Grand Prix as well as the 1984 Italian Grand Prix for Alfa Romeo)

- Ligier made use of a Matra V6 Turbo in 1982-1988 instead of Ford engines (with the Matra V6 Turbo later powering the Fittipaldi team in its final season.) along with Larrousse from 1987-1988 (with Ligier switching to Ford Cosworth engines from 1988-1989 before switching to Renault from 1990-1994)

- Eddie Cheever winning the 1983 Canadian Grand Prix for Renault (and later 1985 Monaco Grand Prix for Alfa Romeo and the 1989 United States Grand Prix in a Arrows-Ford)

- Andrea de Cesaris winning the 1983 Belgium and 1983 German Grand Prix for Alfa Romeo (later driving for March in 1986 as well as finishing 3rd in the 1988 Detroit Grand Prix driving a Rial-Ford with the team lasting until 1990)

- Alain Prost winning his first championship in 1983 for Renault

- Stefan Johansson scoring the Spirit team’s only point by finishing the 1983 Dutch Grand Prix in 6th driving a Spirit-Honda (with the Spirit F1 team lasting until 1991)

- Derek Warwick winning the 1983 European Grand Prix for Toleman and 1984 Belgian Grand Prix for Renault

- Tyrrell not being disqualified in 1984 (finishing 8th in the Constructors Championship with 22 points) with Stefan Bellof finishing second in Monaco (in front of Prost but behind Senna) and Martin Brundle winning his first race at the United States GP (at Detroit) that same year (with Tyrrell managing to score points in both the 1993 and 1998 F1 seasons. Tyrrell would later switch to more competitive Cosworth GBA V6 turbo engines during the 1985-1986 F1 Seasons.)

- Ayrton Senna winning his first race at the 1984 Monaco Grand Prix in his Toleman-Hart (as well as winning in both the 1984 British and Portuguese Grand Prix with Niki Lauda still becoming Champion in 1984)

- Jonathan Palmer scoring the RAM team’s only point at the 1984 Brazilian Grand Prix in 6th driving a RAM-Hart (with the RAM F1 team lasting until the end of the 1990 season where it was powered by a Neotech V12 engine that also powered EuroBrun reverting to Hart-tuned Cosworth V8s in 1988 after using Hart Turbo engines. RAM competed in the 1978-1982 seasons powered by Cosworth DFV V8 and 1.5 Cosworth BD Turbo engines.)

- F1 teams that used non-turbocharged naturally aspirated engines were from 1980 onwards permitted a capacity increase from 3-litres to 3.5-litres later 4-litres from 1985 for V8s, with V10s and V12s remaining at 3.5-litres in the post-turbo era.

- Stefan Johansson winning the 1987 German Grand Prix for McLaren (and later in an Onyx-Ford at the 1989 Portuguese Grand Prix)

- Audi entering F1 in 1985 with a 5-cylinder turbo later a 3.5 V10 from 1989 that proved to be fairly unsuccessful yet not disastrous until 1990

- After Osella switched to using Motori Moderni V6 turbos from 1985-1988, Minardi ended up being powered by Alfa Romeo engines from a 1.5 V8 turbo in 1985 to a 1.5 4-cylinder twin-turbo from 1986-1988 with Minardi establishing a two car team on its debut season with drivers Pierluigi Martini and Alessandro Nannini being teammates from 1985-1987.

- Teo Fabi winning the 1985 German Grand Prix from Pole driving a Toleman-Hart

- Keke Rosberg winning his last 2 races at the 1986 Canadian Grand Prix and 1986 French Grand Prix driving a McLaren-TAG

- Johnny Dumfries winning his first and only race at the 1986 Hungarian Grand Prix driving a Lotus-Renault

- Alan Jones and Patrick Tambay would finish in 1st and 2nd at the 1986 Austrian Grand Prix driving a Lola-Ford for Team Haas / Haas Lola and also the first win for the turbocharged Ford TEC V6 Turbo, Team Haas / Haas Lola would race in 1987 with an Adrien Newey designed car powered by a Ford V6 Turbo that produced competitive results (and would continue to use the Ford V6 Turbo in the 1988 season then later use the Ford DFR V8 and customer Ford HB V8 in its final five seasons until 1994 when it used Hart V10s it their final two seasons)

- Thierry Boutsen wins the 1987 Australian Grand Prix for Benetton (in front of Jonathan Palmer’s Tyrrell-Ford as well as Roberto Moreno’s AGS-Ford – the latter subsequently meriting to race for more competitive F1 teams) and the 2nd victory for the Turbocharged Ford TEC V6 engine (with teammate Teo Fabi finishing 2nd behind Nigel Mansell at the 1987 Austrian Grand Prix)

- Nigel Mansell beating Nelson Piquet in 1987 to become Champion

- Ayrton Senna winning the 1988 Italian and Australian Grand Prix meaning McLaren wins every race that season

- Gabriele Tarquini scoring the Coloni team’s only point at the 1988 Canadian Grand Prix by finishing 6th in a Coloni-Ford (and later finishing 6th driving an AGS-Ford at the 1991 United States Grand Prix)

- Maurício Gugelmin winning the 1989 Brazilian Grand Prix in a March-Judd (followed by Derek Warwick in 2nd driving an Arrows-Ford and Ferrari’s Nigel Mansell in 3rd)

- Stefano Modena winning the 1989 Monaco Grand Prix in a Brabham Judd (and later at the 1991 Canadian Grand Prix in a Tyrrell-Honda. With Brabham managing to compete in the 1988 season by securing supply of 3.5-litre BMW V12 engines that lasted until the end of the 1991 season.)

- Riccardo Patrese unexpectedly winning the 1989 San Marino Grand Prix driving a Williams-Judd (with teammate Thierry Boutsen driving a more competitive Williams-Renault until both drivers received the same cars in the next race due to delays)

- Nelson Piquet winning the 1989 British Grand Prix driving a Lotus-Judd with teammate Satoru Nakajima becoming the first Japanese drive to win a race at the 1989 Australian Grand Prix

- Jean Alesi wins the 1989 French Grand Prix as well as the 1990 Spanish Grand Prix driving a Tyrrell-Ford the latter being notable for being the last victory of the Ford Cosworth DFV-to-DFR-powered naturally aspirated engines (with Larrousse team’s Lola-Ford picking up the last podium in the 1991 season) that unlike the real-world were slightly more competitive against the Turbo-powered Teams (mainly because the Tyrrell team’s exploit from 1984 remained undiscovered despite Tyrrell and a few others having to wait until 1985 before receiving the recently introduced 3.5-litre or 4-litre Cosworth DFZ V8 engines)

- Reynard makes its F1 debut in 1989 initially powered by a 4.0 Mugen-Honda V8 for the first few seasons before switching to a Mitsubishi-badged V12 from 1992 (essentially a 3.5 V12 HKS 300E) driven by Akihiko Nakaya and Eric van de Poele in the 1992 season

- FIRST Racing would end up bribing their way onto the grid for the 1989 season prior to eventually folding in the middle of the 1989 f1 season (with the Life team still using the original chassis for its ill-fated f1 entry in 1990)

1990s

- Andrea Moda would appear in 1990 (instead of 1992) with more or less the same farcical outcome (albeit was powered by a Moteurs Guy Negré / MGN W12 engine that deserved better prior to being replaced by a 3.5 Motori Moderni Flat-12 essentially the Subaru 1235 Flat-12 that was disowned by Subaru and dropped by Coloni mid-season, Andrea Moda ended up being banned for bringing the sport into disrepute before the 2nd to last race of the season though the team would later appear in the next 4 seasons under new management as the Bravo F1 team using 4.0 Motori Moderni V8s from 1991-1992 and 3.5 Motori Moderni V10s from 1993-1994.

- Zakspeed (which entered F1 a year before in 1984) would continue to use Yamaha engines for its final season in 1992 despite plans to use a 3.5 Alfa Romeo V10 alongside Alfa Romeo (also in its final season withdrawing as a constructor from F1 in 1990 instead of 1985 that from 1987-1988 produced an alternate successful 1.5 Alfa Romeo 415T 4-cylinder twin-turbo engine that was also supplied to Minardi prior to being replaced by the 3.5 Alfa Romeo V10 from 1989) as well as the Rial and Dallara teams (previously used by the EuroBrun and Coloni teams in the 1989 season)

- Ivan Capelli won Leyton House-Judd’s (aka March-Judd) only GP at the 1990 French Grand Prix

- Aguri Suzuki winning the 1990 Japanese Grand Prix in his Larrousse-Lamborghini becoming the second Japanese driver to win a race and notable for being the team's and Lamborghini's first and only win (with Larrousse competing in F1 until 2001 using Renault V10 or Peugeot V10 engines from 1994)

- Porsche takes over the Onyx F1 team in the 1991 F1 season (acquiring it from De Tomaso until the end of the 1994 F1 season) instead of supplying engines to Footwork / Arrows with the disastrous Porsche 3.5 V12 (also known unofficially as the Onyx-Porsche V12) replaced in the 1992 with the much more competitive Porsche 3.5 V10 (or Onyx-Porsche V10 with the V10 later forming the basis of engines found in the competitive 1999-2000 Porsche LMP2000 Le Mans prototype and Porsche Carrera GT supercar)

- Footwork / Arrows in turn had much more competitive 1990 and 1991 F1 seasons using a customer Ford HB V8 (a specification behind the de facto works Benetton team) instead of the Porsche V12 as in the real-world with Michele Alboreto winning the 1991 Italian Grand Prix driving a Footwork/Arrows-Ford as well as finishing 2nd in the 1991 Belgium Grand Prix and teammate Alex Caffi finishing 2nd in both the 1991 Monaco and 1991 Hungarian Grand Prix’s

- Pierluigi Martini somehow managing to beat Ayrton Senna to win Minardi’s first and only GP at the 1991 Portuguese Grand Prix (until Sebastian Vettel won the 2008 Italian Grand Prix for Minardi Toro Rosso), which that since its F1 debut has notably managed to score at least one point per season.

- JJ Lehto winning his first and Scuderia Italia’s 2nd victory at the 1991 San Marino Grand Prix in a Dallara-Judd (with the team’s first win being by Andrea De Cesaris at the 1989 Canadian Grand Prix followed by Derek Warwick in 2nd driving an Arrows-Ford and the Osella-Ford of Nicola Larini in 3rd)

- Nicola Larini and Eric van de Poele finishing in 5th and 3rd driving a Modena/Lambo-Lamborghini at the 1991 United States Grand Prix and 1991 San Marino Grand Prix respectively

- Andrea de Cesaris winning Jordan’s first race in a Jordan-Ford at the 1991 Mexican Grand Prix (with Jordan continuing to successfully use Ford engines for the 1992-1993 F1 seasons in place of the Yamaha and Hart engines)

- Nelson Piquet would win his last 2 races along with Isuzu’s first two races driving an unexpectedly competitive Brabham-Isuzu 3.5 V12 at the 1992 Brazilian Grand Prix and 1992 San Marino Grand Prix with teammate Damon Hill gaining his first points on his debut Grand Prix season as well as regularly finishing races (while engine supplier Isuzu would be renamed Chevrolet nearly 2 far less successful seasons later with the Brabham team using a competitive yet somewhat unreliable 750 + hp 3.5 Lamborghini V12 during the 1994 season driven by drivers David Brabham and Gary Brabham who began racing together from 1993)

- TOM’S would make its F1 debut in 1994 as a midfield team in terms of competitiveness (driven by veteran drivers Riccardo Patrese and Thierry Boutsen both in their final 2 seasons) until it was taken over by Toyota in 2001 before the latter entered F1 a year later in 2002

- Rubens Barrichello winning his first, second and third races at the 1994 Pacific Grand Prix (for Jordan-Hart), 1995 French Grand Prix (for Jordan-Peugeot) and at the 1997 Monaco Grand Prix (in a Stewart-Ford being Stewart’s maiden F1 win)

- Johnny Herbert winning his first race at the 1993 British Grand Prix in a Lotus-Ford then winning his 2nd and 3rd races at the 1994 Monaco Grand Prix and later at the 1994 Italian Grand Prix driving a Lotus-Mugen-Honda

- Mika Hakkinen winning his first victory in the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix in his McLaren-Peugeot (his first podium being 3rd at the 1992 French Grand Prix in a Lotus-Ford and later winning his 3rd and 4th world championship in 2000 and 2003 retiring soon after) with teammate Martin Brundle winning the 1994 Hungarian Grand Prix

- Luca Badoer winning his first and only point in the 1993 San Marino Grand Prix driving a Scuderia Italia Lola-Ferrari to 6th place (Lola would continue to compete in the 1994-1996 seasons using Ford engines after Scuderia Italia merged with Minardi) with Karl Wendlinger winning Sauber’s 1st race in a Sauber-Ilmor followed by teammate JJ Lehto and the Ligier-Renault of Martin Brundle

- Mark Blundell winning his and Yamaha’s first as well as Tyrrell’s last 2 Grand Prix at the 1994 Spanish Grand Prix (followed behind by the Minardi of Pierluigi Martini) and at the 1995 Brazilian Grand Prix driving a Tyrrell-Yamaha (with Tyrell-Yamaha managing to score a point or few the previous year in the 1993 season)

- Eddie Irvine winning his first victory in the 1994 European Grand Prix in his Jordan-Hart

- Christian Fittipaldi winning his only F1 race at the 1994 German Grand Prix driving an Arrows-Ford

- Ayrton Senna becoming World Champion in 1994 (beating Williams teammate Damon Hill followed by Schumacher) then again in 1995. The Williams team from 1994-1995 used Renault V12 engines, while other Renault-powered teams used the Renault V10.

- Mika Salo winning the 1995 Canadian Grand Prix in his Lotus(112)-Mugen-Honda and Team Lotus’s 2nd to last victory followed by teammate David Coulthard who won the 1995 Portuguese Grand Prix (prior to later moving to McLaren) with Team Lotus competing up to the present day (with Martin Brundle and Mark Blundell driving for the team in the 1996 season followed by Martin Donnelly and Paul Warwick from 1997 and the next few seasons until Jason Watt replaced Martin Donnelly in 2000 with Team Lotus consistently using Mugen Honda engines until 2000)

- Jean Alesi winning the 1996 Brazilian Grand Prix driving a Benetton-Renault

- Mika Hakkinen winning the 1996 Italian Grand Prix in a McLaren-Mercedes

- Giancarlo Fisichella winning the 1997 Canadian Grand Prix for Jordan-Peugeot and later the 1998 Canadian Grand Prix for Benetton-Playlife (followed by Damon Hill in 2nd driving a Jordan-Mugen-Honda)

- Taki Inoue finishing 5th at the 1995 Canadian Grand Prix behind Oliver Panis and in front of teammate Gianni Morbidelli

- Gianni Morbidelli finishing 2nd in the 1995 Australian Grand Prix

- Damon Hill winning the 1997 Hungarian Grand Prix In his Arrows-Yamaha (and later finishing in 2nd place at his final race the 1999 Japanese Grand Prix driving a Jordan-Mugen-Honda behind race winner Hakkinen and in front Schumacher with overall results unchanged aside from Irvine retiring earlier in the race)

- Jacques Villeneuve winning his final two races at the 1998 Hungarian Grand Prix driving a Williams-Mecachrome and at the 2001 Spanish Grand Prix driving a BAR-Honda

- Ralf Schumacher winning his first and second races at the 1998 Italian Grand Prix driving a Jordan-Mugen-Honda (notable for Tora Takagi finishing 6th in a Tyrrell-Ford scoring Tyrrell’s last points) and 1999 Australian Grand Prix driving a Williams-Supertec

- Mika Salo winning BAR’s first point at the 1999 San Marino Grand Prix by finishing in 6th

- Jarno Trulli winning his first race at the 1999 Monaco Grand Prix driving a Prost-Peugeot

- Heinz-Harald Frentzen winning the 1999 German Grand Prix driving a Jordan-Mugen-Honda,

- Alex Zanardi winning the 1999 Italian Grand Prix in a Williams-Supertec,

2000s

- Nick Heidfeld winning his first point at the 2000 Monaco Grand Prix in a Prost-Peugeot by finishing 6th and his Prost-Peugeot teammate Jean Alesi finishing 4th in the 2000 Belgium Grand Prix (with the Prost F1 team later being powered by Ferrari engines from 2002 until it was taken over by Venturi’s return to F1)

- Jos Verstappen winning his only race at the 2000 Italian Grand Prix driving an Arrows-Supertec

- David Coulthard becoming Champion in the 2001 F1 season (with his final win being at the 2005 European Grand Prix driving a Red Bull-Cosworth)

- Michael Schumacher ending up being only a three-time F1 World Champion (in 2002, 2004 and 2006)

- Heinz-Harald Frentzen winning the 2003 United States Grand Prix in a Sauber-Ferrari

- Jenson Button winning his first race the 2004 Bahrain Grand Prix in a BAR-Honda (going on to win 6 more races during the 2004 F1 season at San Marino, Monaco, Nürburgring, Canada, Germany, Italy and China to become 2004 F1 champion then later winning the F1 championship three more times for Brawn in 2009 as well as McLaren in 2010 and 2011)

- Kimi Raikkonen winning the 2005 Championship for McLaren (followed by two more for Ferrari in 2007 and Lotus in 2012)

- Jarno Trulli winning for Toyota in the 2005 Malaysian and Bahrain Grand Prix

- Takuma Sato winning the 2004 United States Grand Prix in a BAR-Honda

- Tiago Monteiro winning the controversial 2005 United States Grand Prix in a Jordan-Toyota 1-2 finish after the Ferraris suddenly retired (with Christijan Albers in the Minardi-Cosworth finishing 3rd)

- Alexander Wurz winning the 2007 Canadian Grand Prix in a Williams-Ford (Williams sticking with Cosworth engines from 2006-2011 and experiencing a resurgence of success instead of opting for Toyota in 2007-2009 in real-life)

- Nick Heidfeld winning the 2008 Dutch Grand Prix for BMW-Sauber

- Pedro De La Rosa winning the 2008 Bahrain Grand Prix in a Prodrive-BMW (essentially a Customer Car Chassis from McLaren powered by a BMW engine)

2010s

- Kamui Kobayashi winning the 2012 Japanese Grand Prix in a Sauber-Ferrari


Other notes

- Forti was taken over by Shannon from the end of the 1996 season and competed until the end of the 1998 season.

- Pacific Racing competed until end of 1996 season along with Simtek

- EuroBrun used Neotech V12 engines from 1988 and competed until the end of the 1993 season using Hart V10s in its final season along with Coloni

- Fondmental competed until end of 1994 season using Hart V10s from 1993-1994

- DAMS and Durango would both appear in the 1996 season, with the latter using Peugeot V10-based AMT engine from the 2000-2002 seasons

- Il Barone Rampante appeared in 1991 basically becoming a Benetton Junior team

- Dhainault appeared in 1992 using equipment from defunct AGS team and 4.0 Motori Moderni V8 engines driven by Giovanna Amati and Jean-Denis Delatraz,
 
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I would do anything to see a Prost car win. Jesus, that thing with Panis in 97 was amazing.

Nice list...this coming from an die-hard F1 fan. For Jos Verstappen, the 03 Brazilian Grand Prix would be better because he was on the same fuel strategy as Fissi and probabaly would had made it to the end if he didn’t retire.
 
Would have to agree that Prost in 1997 were very promising and it is unfortunate that Panis broke both his legs at the 1997 Canadian Grand Prix, would have been worthwhile seeing Panis snatch a win at either the 1997 French or Belgian Grand Prix.

Verstappen finishing in the top 3 for Minardi at the 2003 Grand Prix is a possibility
 
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Essentially the Formula 1 version of the Sports What Ifs thread from 1950 up to the present day.

The
2000s

- Jos Verstappen winning his only race at the 2000 Italian Grand Prix driving an Arrows-Supertec
I would love to see that happen, but at least we have his son who had done it sevral times already.
 

Riain

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The following would develop into worthy challengers to the Cosworth DFV V8's dominance (until the end of the 1985 season). From the alternate Repco V8.........

There are firm limits on what the Repco can achieve given it's resources and primary customer base in Australia, but winning the 1968 championship is well within its capability using the 830 and 860 engines. The biggest mistake was pursuing the unworkable and complex 50 series head development, which for such a small company took resources from developing a solution to the vibration problem that the excellent (on 700 series block) 4-valve 60 series heads had with the short deck 800 series block. IMO the plan for 68 should have been to race the first races with the light 800 series blocks with the cross-flow, 2-valve 30 series heads until later in the year when the 860 engine had become reliable. Brabham himself said that he could have won the 68 title using the 740 engines from 1967.

However the Repco was developed primarily for the Australian racing car market, the Tasman series and other stuff that was high-end racing in Australia in the 60s, as a replacement for the Coventry Climax which Repco was a parts distributor for. Virtually all prominent Australian open wheelers and sports-racing cars for the late 60s used one of the ~35 Repco V8s built. But by the late 60s the Australian racing fan base was changing from supporting open wheelers and sport-racing cars to production touring cars, so Repco walked away from the V8 and focused more on the Holden V8 F5000 engine and parts for touring cars.
 
Ever since I found out Senna wanted to finish his career at Minardi while racing for them for free, I'm disappointed it didn't happen. It would've cemented Minardi's status as Formula 1's most well liked underdogs, and probably made the team some sorely needed money, too.
 
Ever since I found out Senna wanted to finish his career at Minardi while racing for them for free, I'm disappointed it didn't happen. It would've cemented Minardi's status as Formula 1's most well liked underdogs, and probably made the team some sorely needed money, too.

Another scenario to consider. What-if Senna decided to follow in the footsteps of his rival Prost by eventually attempting to form his own F1 team, whether from the ground-up or by buying out an existing team like Minardi after ending his career there?
 
For me, I def would want to see Stewart stay a few more years before being bought out by Ford and turning it into Jaguar. I felt like they could contend for a title based on the team's success in 1999.
 
Another scenario to consider. What-if Senna decided to follow in the footsteps of his rival Prost by eventually attempting to form his own F1 team, whether from the ground-up or by buying out an existing team like Minardi after ending his career there?

He was a close friend of Minardi's founder, even if he bought out the team it would've kept being Minardi, most likely. But Senna's various sponsors would've followed him to Minardi, nonetheless.
 
For me, I def would want to see Stewart stay a few more years before being bought out by Ford and turning it into Jaguar. I felt like they could contend for a title based on the team's success in 1999.

While also sharing that view (along with Cosworth in general remaining competitive at least in terms of being an engine supplier at minimum), was under the impression that Jaguar was still essentially the same Stewart Grand Prix team?

He was a close friend of Minardi's founder, even if he bought out the team it would've kept being Minardi, most likely. But Senna's various sponsors would've followed him to Minardi, nonetheless.

I see.

Have been trying to figure how to have Formula 1 maintain different engine types and displacements (e.g. 3-litre V12s, 3.5-litre V10s, 4-litre V8s, etc), possibly even a revival of turbos (e.g. 2-litre or 2.5-litre V6 turbo, 1.6-litre or 2-litre 4-cylinder turbo hybrid) from the late-1990s onwards (albeit balanced by some form of parity system)?
 
Ronnie Peterson joining Lotus in 1972, starting the 1973 season in the same fast and reliable form he displayed in the second half of that season, leading to 1973 being an all out battle between Ronnie and Jackie Stewart, rather than a half season of Emerson Vs Stewart followed by a half season of Ronnie Vs Stewart.
 
Ronnie Peterson joining Lotus in 1972, starting the 1973 season in the same fast and reliable form he displayed in the second half of that season, leading to 1973 being an all out battle between Ronnie and Jackie Stewart, rather than a half season of Emerson Vs Stewart followed by a half season of Ronnie Vs Stewart.

Would have to agree based on the lackluster teammates Fittipaldi had at Lotus that season, assuming claims of Lotus giving David Walker inferior equipment while giving far more attention to Fittipaldi's needs were invalid.
 

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Lewis's racing record is strange in that he had a championship winning car from 2007 -2012 yet if he did not have those failings he would not have moved in 2012, yet he has won in 2014, 2015 and 2017. Alonso is equally intriguing that he had the potential to win in 2007, 2010, 2012 and 2013.
 
Panis not breaking both his legs in an accident, too - back then, it looked like he could've challenged Jacques Villeneuve for the title.
Jacques said that Panis was a real threat in that car. On the part of Kubica, he was tabbed to replace Massa before they reeled him back in for 2011. I feel like he would had gone to another team, but man that Kubica-Kimi combination for 2012 would had been great to see.
 

Riain

Banned
A bit outside the box.

CAMS raises the capacity limit of the Tasman series to 3 litres in 1966 in line with the FIA. In tandem the promoters of the Australian (and perhaps NZ) Grand Prix, which is pretty much another Tasman race, extend the distance out to the full 200 miles.

The Tasman 'national GP' races start getting a bit of kudos in Europe, a bit like a consolation prize outside the championship, and the inertia from this means Australia and maybe NZ GPs get a gig in the F1 Championship from the 60s, despite the locals long being outclassed.
 
Jacques said that Panis was a real threat in that car. On the part of Kubica, he was tabbed to replace Massa before they reeled him back in for 2011. I feel like he would had gone to another team, but man that Kubica-Kimi combination for 2012 would had been great to see.

Something else to consider, what if Jarno Trulli made his 1997 F1 debut with Prost from the outset (in place of Shinji Nakano) instead beginning at Minardi prior to temporarily replacing Panis at Prost from the French Grand Prix up to the Austrian Grand Prix?
 
Apparently Jean Alesi initially signed a contract to race for Williams in the 1991 F1 season, until he opted instead to sign for Ferrari as the second driver alongside Prost.
 
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