Foreign Policy of a Fascist USA

In a scenario where the US fell to Fascism in the 1930s (let's leave the circumstances of said Fascist takeover vague), what would the foreign policy of such a Fascist America look like? Would they try and buddy up with their fellow Fascists in Europe? Or would they be content with controlling the Americas via quasi-colonial relationships with local caudillos (or fascist movements)? How about Asia? Would they be very active in aiding China (to protect their interests in Asia) or would they go "let the yellows kill each other"?
 
I think it'd be that pseudo-isolationism that America has traditionally practiced, where it avoids entanglements in Europe and intervenes heavily in Latin America and possibly Asia. If it does pursue Asia, war with Japan is likely, perhaps even a reverse pearl harbor type scenario
 
Assuming there's no destructive civil war/issue with disobedience by the state to the military clique in Washington, it'd likely involve whacking Canada over the head and dragging it off at some point while Britain is distracted; making it more of an ally of convenience to Hitler than anything. The US ultimately has few interests in Europe and little to gain by actually sending military forces in that direction, and unlike Germany, Italy, and Japan actually had essentially controlling economic interests in those areas an otherwise "second-string" power might want to break into via military force (Cuban Sugar, Mexican Oil and infrastructure, Central America is basically owned by American companies at this point). America simply lacks the same kind of motive for military expansion/autotarky that the Axis in our timeline did; its economic woes come from a lack of markets.

I WOULD expect to see a massive increase in arms sales to Germany and Japan though, since any Facist regime is likely going to be tied closely to business interests who want to get their lagging industry back up off the ground and make profit. Looking at the bundles they made during WWI by providing weapons while other provided blood, I could see Japanese troops paroling the stretches of China or into Siberia in legions of American built jeeps, running on American petrol, and shooting guns with American bullets, paid for with wealth ripped from conquered lands, while the US scoops up abandoned British and French territories/economic interests in the new world under a twisted version of the Monroe Doctrine/Manifest Destiny. As for the political control of Latin America... let the local dictators handle things and keep their fancy suits. So long as they let the CIA and American multi-nationals strip all your natural resources.
 
Nah, due to anti-Japanese sentiments among Americans, it's more likely that we see Fascist America side with the KMT (which may or may not be dominated by the Blue Shirts and other Sinofascist factions) and if they are tied with the Nazis, lead to a scenario where China is an Axis power and Japan is an Allied power (revived Anglo-Japanese Alliance might be in the books).
 
Probably some form of New Manifest
Destiny, mixed with elements of nazi lebensraum. With plans to colonize the Americas from pole to pole.
 
War against Japan is likely, war against Britain less so. By the 1930s, there are few in the U.S with any interest in conquering Canada, and the U.S didn't really need to expand much, as has been said. But a war against Japan opens up East Asian Markets and proves American military might, and if done right it could be relatively short and victorious; perfect for legitimizing a Fascist regime.

From there, expect them to be committed anti-communists, so no Lend Lease. I could see them "mediating" a peace between Britain and Germany once Barbarossa begins (i.e stop fighting or we'll make sure you stop fighting), and then sending an alternate Lend Lease to Nazi Germany. This might be enough to tip the scales on the Eastern front into at least a stalemate, and from there I expect I expect America to buy up Germany's debt and get them economically reliant on the USA, even more aggressive as they were IOTL with Britain.

This isn't really isolationist- we're looking at a USA that has spheres of controlling interest in all of the Americas and the Pacific, and a piece of the pie in other areas as well. But I agree there won't be boots on the ground in Europe.
 

samcster94

Banned
I think it'd be that pseudo-isolationism that America has traditionally practiced, where it avoids entanglements in Europe and intervenes heavily in Latin America and possibly Asia. If it does pursue Asia, war with Japan is likely, perhaps even a reverse pearl harbor type scenario
Franco is your model for this scenario. He fought brutally to get into power for 3 years with hundreds of thousands dead and more refugees, but he barely helped the Axis after that and mostly was neutral postwar.
 
Franco is your model for this scenario. He fought brutally to get into power for 3 years with hundreds of thousands dead and more refugees, but he barely helped the Axis after that and mostly was neutral postwar.

I don't think so because Spain was close to its meaningful enemies, America on the other hand has two oceans between it and any enemies who could meaningfully hurt it. This is before the development of weapons that made the distance irrelevant. And to actually invade America they would have to have a close launching point that could support the massive invasion force and provide enough air cover to not get a majority of the troop transports and navy ships sunk by land based aircraft before they could do anything. Also America in this time has almost all of the resources needed to prosecute a modern war in its existing borders unlike Spain.
 
Assuming there's no destructive civil war/issue with disobedience by the state to the military clique in Washington, it'd likely involve whacking Canada over the head and dragging it off at some point while Britain is distracted; making it more of an ally of convenience to Hitler than anything. The US ultimately has few interests in Europe and little to gain by actually sending military forces in that direction, and unlike Germany, Italy, and Japan actually had essentially controlling economic interests in those areas an otherwise "second-string" power might want to break into via military force (Cuban Sugar, Mexican Oil and infrastructure, Central America is basically owned by American companies at this point). America simply lacks the same kind of motive for military expansion/autotarky that the Axis in our timeline did; its economic woes come from a lack of markets.

I WOULD expect to see a massive increase in arms sales to Germany and Japan though, since any Facist regime is likely going to be tied closely to business interests who want to get their lagging industry back up off the ground and make profit. Looking at the bundles they made during WWI by providing weapons while other provided blood, I could see Japanese troops paroling the stretches of China or into Siberia in legions of American built jeeps, running on American petrol, and shooting guns with American bullets, paid for with wealth ripped from conquered lands, while the US scoops up abandoned British and French territories/economic interests in the new world under a twisted version of the Monroe Doctrine/Manifest Destiny. As for the political control of Latin America... let the local dictators handle things and keep their fancy suits. So long as they let the CIA and American multi-nationals strip all your natural resources.

So, aside from the whole supporting Japan thing, basically OTL?
 
I was thinking about a potential POD to inspire a Fascist revolt/"MARCH ON ROME" could be Carl Panzram. He was a serial killer and rapist, who once plotted to destroy a docked British ship, to entangle the United States in a war that would be kill millions.
 

samcster94

Banned
I don't think so because Spain was close to its meaningful enemies, America on the other hand has two oceans between it and any enemies who could meaningfully hurt it. This is before the development of weapons that made the distance irrelevant. And to actually invade America they would have to have a close launching point that could support the massive invasion force and provide enough air cover to not get a majority of the troop transports and navy ships sunk by land based aircraft before they could do anything. Also America in this time has almost all of the resources needed to prosecute a modern war in its existing borders unlike Spain.
True, but I do imagine pseudo-isolationism(with stuff in Latin America, but little in Europe and Asia), similar to the U.S. before WWII, and stuff like not joining a UN analog(like OTL League of Nations).
 
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