Force Z delayed

As they are director controlled and magazine fed. It would be a significant refit.

The options at that time probably would have been twin 4”, twin 4.5” per HMS Queen Elizabeth and the Carriers, or twin 5.25” per the KGV.
 

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Just add 40 and 20mm mounts till the shipyard runs out of them in stock.
You will also need to carry ammo for them and crew to serve them. That surely will add up to a fair bit of space (ammo) and what to they stop doing when at battlestations to free up the required men?
 
As they are director controlled and magazine fed. It would be a significant refit.

The options at that time probably would have been twin 4”, twin 4.5” per HMS Queen Elizabeth and the Carriers, or twin 5.25” per the KGV.
Probably the twin 4" as it seems to have the least work involved, on the upside they could have simply used the single purpose triple 4" gun's that were still on Repulse magazine feeds to cut down on the work required. And directors are one heck of a lot easier to install then new magazine feeds as they don't require you to go down below the main deck, its maybe a couple of months work to really improve Repulse's AA armament. If only the same could be said of her TDS, Engines, and Armor.
 
Probably the twin 4" as it seems to have the least work involved, on the upside they could have simply used the single purpose triple 4" gun's that were still on Repulse magazine feeds to cut down on the work required. And directors are one heck of a lot easier to install then new magazine feeds as they don't require you to go down below the main deck, its maybe a couple of months work to really improve Repulse's AA armament. If only the same could be said of her TDS, Engines, and Armor.
Good points.

It's a real pity the UK government was so focused on fiscal stability and maintaining the Gold Standard for so long. A POD with earlier rebuilds for Repulse and Hood* along with a second Ark Royal would have paid dividends.

* (perhaps need slightly different WNT to keep Tiger as cover and an eventual rebuild as Kongo class?)
 
I really think they would be withdrawn West. Go to Ceylon and we have our Midway in the West off Ceylon when the Indian Ocean sortie takes place.
 
Ack Ack that can keep up with the carriers. Not that it changes Somerville's problem with being outmatched in the air during daylight.
 
Ack Ack that can keep up with the carriers. Not that it changes Somerville's problem with being outmatched in the air during daylight.
At least it means that he can keep out of attack range during daylight as the Warspite and the Revenge class ships are simply too slow to do so.
 
Ack Ack that can keep up with the carriers. Not that it changes Somerville's problem with being outmatched in the air during daylight.
Force Z doesn’t add much against Nagumo’s carriers.
I really think they would be withdrawn West. Go to Ceylon and we have our Midway in the West off Ceylon when the Indian Ocean sortie takes place.
I think Somerville's best hope to win a "midway" would be to simply use them as bait near to Ceylon and get the IJN to fight within land based RAF fighters... (and hope the ASB has made the AM send spitfires in quantity rather than waste them over northern France)
 
Of PoW and repulse don't get sunk as per OTL, any lessons that are not learned?


Good question, PMN. I would say if my scenario with Repulse leading the 3 old D class up the coast and surviving, there would be a realization of Japanese land-based air capability. What will not be known is the vulnerability of the KGV class to torpedo damage, and the need for additional auxiliary power that the loss of PoW showed.


Not to send Battleships into a hostile air environment without adequate air cover? Then again the RN had already learned this and the sinking's just drove the lesson home. Also that Japanese aircraft have much longer ranges than they thought.

Starting another post with 'Several years ago', but Several years ago, BC board member BC_Renown and I were discussing a better refit for Repulse. We debated a US secondary fit of 5in/38s, but this seemed to be the best fit for RN weapons



11 x 4in twin deck mounts (there is a pair under the upper deck with the first two pairs of 4in twins that could file at low-level targets, read: torpedo planes) and some additional 2pdr pom-poms.

Regards,
 
Bill Tennent was a master ship handler, so that might have worked out better than historical.

I don't know why I didn't think of this until I read your post but then the light bulb went off and I realized the Tennant of ship command is the same as the Tennant at Dunkirk and the Tennant in Normandy.

Geez, what a career.
 
What is the total line up in terms of warships and merchant ships that the Japanese were using against Malaya etc December 7th 1941?
 
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