Bizarre tribute to Ted, but nice none the less. 
Now I'm curious about President Feingold.
Now I'm curious about President Feingold.
For the Sake of a Shower: The Assassination of Margaret Thatcher
- Thread starter Lord Roem
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I am more interested in the former Foreign Secretary. Pray tell us more about his illustrious career and political beliefs
“Arriving back from the Summer Recess, I was struck by how despondent most of the Tories seem to be within the House. Regardless of where one is; be it the House, the Lobbies, the Bars or the Terrace, every single Conservative Member of Parliament has the same gloomy, downcast expression that was so prevalent within our ranks during the last few months of the Callaghan Administration. It seems curious how a Government with such a large majority seems so paralysed by inaction. Ted Heath thinks that Heseltine should fire Tebbit and his ilk, declare a General Election on the issue of Europe and hopefully win enough seats to end opposition to his Foreign Policy. While I do admit that this plan has merit, I cannot see the Prime Minister having the courage or the political wherewithal to do such a thing.
Ted and many other colleagues of his all think that Heseltine is a walking corpse. The leadership “election” solved nothing as it simply served to bring the leadership problems into the limelight. Francis Pym (who was hoping to return to the Cabinet) is convinced that Tebbit is simply binding his time before he can resign and mount a formal challenge for the Premiership. The PM is due to go to Brussels at the end of the month to make a speech on European integration. While I oppose this with every fibre of my being, I do rather hope it is successful, while Tebbit becoming Prime Minister is laughable, I am becoming increasing concerned that he could just about manage to worm his way in, especially if a left-wing candidate splits the moderate vote should another leadership election come to fruition.
Dinner with the Blair’s was a great relief. Tony is making his case as a dominant left winger and Cherie should win Cardiff South with ease at the next election, regardless of when it comes.
-Excerpt from Tony Benn: Diaries 1983-90
“Heseltine managed to stumble on after the summer failed to yield any real challenge to his position, however, the opposition was simply resting, they had not vanished. I was still working for Norman at this point and he had managed to wangle me a safe seat [Gravesham] for the next election. At time, most of the eurosceptic wing of the party needed a strong figure to rally behind, despite what naive people like Tony Benn may have thought, Tebbit had no desire at all to become Prime Minister, he was too old and, by his own admission “not really television material”. So, it was at a meeting at the Ivy hosted by Alan Sked in September that we came to informally choose a leader of the anti-European wing of the party. We considered several candidates but the eventual winner came almost by default.
Norman Lamont would prove to be a very capable champion of our cause, he had never forgiven Michael from dropping him in the last reshuffle after the Ministry of Economic Affairs was abolished.”
-Former Foreign Secretary Nigel Farage interviewed in “Sleepwalking towards Chaos: The Conservative Schism of 1987” Prof. Andrew Gamble: University of Cambridge Press, 2006.
“EEC COMMISSION TO RELEASE INTERGRATION PROGRAM
The President of the European Commission, Leo Tindermans, is to formally announce a draft program of legislation regarding the further economic integration of the EEC later today. An advance copy of the program, which is to form the basis of a new treaty, was acquired by this paper from a researcher from within the EEC Parliament in Strasbourg.
The program of reform wishes to see the introduction of a new EU single currency by 1995 as well as the establishment of a unified program of social and welfare legislation for all member states. The source behind this information, who asked not be named, claimed that the proposals are intended to become law following the signing of the proposed “Treaty of Bruges” at the end of the decade. The EEC Commission has refused to comment on the documents however, Labour MEP Robert Cryer stated his cynicism at the proposals being carried out claiming that “given the ideological opposition to further integration of many within the Socialist Group coupled with the disunity of our own Conservative Party, I doubt that the entire program will see the light of day”. Downing Street was unavailable for comment, however it is understood that the Prime Minister will give the Government’s view on the proposals when he addresses the European Parliament later this month.”
- From The Daily Telegraph: 9th October 1986
“Why should we, the country that produced Shakespeare, Christopher Wren, and those are just the people on our banknotes for Christ's sake, cower down to the countries that produced Hitler, Napoleon, the Mafia, and the the the, the the the, the the the Smurfs!”
-Alan B’Stard: The New Statesman
“We see the harbinger of the European superstate amongst us. Where once stood Rome there now shall be Brussels, grasping out with her many arms. However, whereas Rome was a civilising element, all the new European Empire shall serve to do is drown the United Kingdom in her ocean of grey bureaucracy and civil servants. Europe and her mass of cultures will simply become one homogeneous whole. What need is there for a millennium of nationalist struggle, the liberal awakening of the Enlightenment and the war against Fascism if Hitler’s dream of a centralised and bland continent is to come true?
Many say that the EEC represents a new hope for Europe, I say it only marks the grave of a thousand years of history.”
-Speech by Enoch Powell to the Ivy League Against European Federalisation: 11th October 1986
“The man arrested for creating a public disturbance in a down-town restaurant yesterday can be revealed to be a senior member of the NSC. Colonel Oliver North is understood to have been drinking heavily around the time of the incident in which he accosted several members of staff for poor service. A trial is to take place in the next few weeks.
-From The Washington Post: 15th October 1986
“Of course, when one realises what was about to break in the United States, it began to make our political problems look rather timid in comparison. I remember when Patrick Marber, who was also a PPC at the time, came barging into head office with the copy of the New York Times. Heh, now that did make for interesting reading.
-Former Education Secretary Christopher Morris in a recent interview for the Observer magazine
“Mr. President; could I just ask you a few questions regarding these documents published in the Lebanese Press?”
-CBS Reporter Lesley Stahl to Ronald Reagan: White House Press Conference, November 4th 1986
Ted and many other colleagues of his all think that Heseltine is a walking corpse. The leadership “election” solved nothing as it simply served to bring the leadership problems into the limelight. Francis Pym (who was hoping to return to the Cabinet) is convinced that Tebbit is simply binding his time before he can resign and mount a formal challenge for the Premiership. The PM is due to go to Brussels at the end of the month to make a speech on European integration. While I oppose this with every fibre of my being, I do rather hope it is successful, while Tebbit becoming Prime Minister is laughable, I am becoming increasing concerned that he could just about manage to worm his way in, especially if a left-wing candidate splits the moderate vote should another leadership election come to fruition.
Dinner with the Blair’s was a great relief. Tony is making his case as a dominant left winger and Cherie should win Cardiff South with ease at the next election, regardless of when it comes.
-Excerpt from Tony Benn: Diaries 1983-90
“Heseltine managed to stumble on after the summer failed to yield any real challenge to his position, however, the opposition was simply resting, they had not vanished. I was still working for Norman at this point and he had managed to wangle me a safe seat [Gravesham] for the next election. At time, most of the eurosceptic wing of the party needed a strong figure to rally behind, despite what naive people like Tony Benn may have thought, Tebbit had no desire at all to become Prime Minister, he was too old and, by his own admission “not really television material”. So, it was at a meeting at the Ivy hosted by Alan Sked in September that we came to informally choose a leader of the anti-European wing of the party. We considered several candidates but the eventual winner came almost by default.
Norman Lamont would prove to be a very capable champion of our cause, he had never forgiven Michael from dropping him in the last reshuffle after the Ministry of Economic Affairs was abolished.”
-Former Foreign Secretary Nigel Farage interviewed in “Sleepwalking towards Chaos: The Conservative Schism of 1987” Prof. Andrew Gamble: University of Cambridge Press, 2006.
“EEC COMMISSION TO RELEASE INTERGRATION PROGRAM
The President of the European Commission, Leo Tindermans, is to formally announce a draft program of legislation regarding the further economic integration of the EEC later today. An advance copy of the program, which is to form the basis of a new treaty, was acquired by this paper from a researcher from within the EEC Parliament in Strasbourg.
The program of reform wishes to see the introduction of a new EU single currency by 1995 as well as the establishment of a unified program of social and welfare legislation for all member states. The source behind this information, who asked not be named, claimed that the proposals are intended to become law following the signing of the proposed “Treaty of Bruges” at the end of the decade. The EEC Commission has refused to comment on the documents however, Labour MEP Robert Cryer stated his cynicism at the proposals being carried out claiming that “given the ideological opposition to further integration of many within the Socialist Group coupled with the disunity of our own Conservative Party, I doubt that the entire program will see the light of day”. Downing Street was unavailable for comment, however it is understood that the Prime Minister will give the Government’s view on the proposals when he addresses the European Parliament later this month.”
- From The Daily Telegraph: 9th October 1986
“Why should we, the country that produced Shakespeare, Christopher Wren, and those are just the people on our banknotes for Christ's sake, cower down to the countries that produced Hitler, Napoleon, the Mafia, and the the the, the the the, the the the Smurfs!”
-Alan B’Stard: The New Statesman
“We see the harbinger of the European superstate amongst us. Where once stood Rome there now shall be Brussels, grasping out with her many arms. However, whereas Rome was a civilising element, all the new European Empire shall serve to do is drown the United Kingdom in her ocean of grey bureaucracy and civil servants. Europe and her mass of cultures will simply become one homogeneous whole. What need is there for a millennium of nationalist struggle, the liberal awakening of the Enlightenment and the war against Fascism if Hitler’s dream of a centralised and bland continent is to come true?
Many say that the EEC represents a new hope for Europe, I say it only marks the grave of a thousand years of history.”
-Speech by Enoch Powell to the Ivy League Against European Federalisation: 11th October 1986
“The man arrested for creating a public disturbance in a down-town restaurant yesterday can be revealed to be a senior member of the NSC. Colonel Oliver North is understood to have been drinking heavily around the time of the incident in which he accosted several members of staff for poor service. A trial is to take place in the next few weeks.
-From The Washington Post: 15th October 1986
“Of course, when one realises what was about to break in the United States, it began to make our political problems look rather timid in comparison. I remember when Patrick Marber, who was also a PPC at the time, came barging into head office with the copy of the New York Times. Heh, now that did make for interesting reading.
-Former Education Secretary Christopher Morris in a recent interview for the Observer magazine
“Mr. President; could I just ask you a few questions regarding these documents published in the Lebanese Press?”
-CBS Reporter Lesley Stahl to Ronald Reagan: White House Press Conference, November 4th 1986
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Interesting... What are the opinion polls saying at the moment, just out of interest? I think a Prime Minister Lamont could be very interesting, though I doubt it will happen in practice. I'm also noticing that while it's more obvious from the Government, Labour also appears to be split over the European issue- could we possibly see a four party system begin to emerge over the 1990s? Eurosceptic Thatcherite Tories, Europhile One Nation Tories, Europhile Third Way Labour/Liberals, and Eurosceptic Socialist Labour. I'm really just thinking aloud here.
Oh and if you need a minor character, my father Daniel Rear was 24 in 1986, and briefly considered standing as a Conservative MP- he's a very hard right Thatcherite but quite "working class"- a possible ally of Tebbit, that is if you need him. Yes, I'll be honest, I just want to grow up as the son of an MP ITTL.
Oh and if you need a minor character, my father Daniel Rear was 24 in 1986, and briefly considered standing as a Conservative MP- he's a very hard right Thatcherite but quite "working class"- a possible ally of Tebbit, that is if you need him. Yes, I'll be honest, I just want to grow up as the son of an MP ITTL.
How are Labour getting on? This is the point in OTL where they were pulling themselves together, migrating rightwards, getting rid of Militant... trying to establish themselves as a credible alternative to a fairly strong and united Conservative Party.
With the Conservatives ITTL in relative disarray, are Labour feeling the same pressure to get their act together? Are the SDP-Liberals making any ground or have they given up the ghost with David Owen's defection?
With the Conservatives ITTL in relative disarray, are Labour feeling the same pressure to get their act together? Are the SDP-Liberals making any ground or have they given up the ghost with David Owen's defection?
Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy
Banned
Northern Ireland, the Iran-Iraq War, the succession in the Soviet Union, Lebanon, the nuclear weapons issue, Palestinian terrorism, Rainbow Warrior, South Africa, Libya, Indira Gandhi's assassination, the Hindawi affair, Greco-Turkish tensions, Central America, Stingers to Afghanistan.
“The decision that I have made was not taken lightly, however, given the nature of this crisis of authority and bearing in mind the responsibility that I must take for failing to see the extent of these arms sales. And so it is with great regret my fellow Americans; that I feel minded to resign my position as President of the United States.”
-President Reagan’s Resignation Speech: 13th December 1986
“Had the While House been able to get a fall guy, North or whoever, I think that the President could have survived easily. But we left it too late and the public were convinced that the Prez must have had a hand in the arms sales. I’ve said it before that that is simply baloney, Reagan knew little about the extent of the deal, but with a Democrat controlled House; the Senate could only block the possibility of Impeachment for a certain amount of time. In reality, I think that the President did the right thing, had he not resigned, the Senate would have looked as if it was covering for him and that could well have led to a Democratic landslide in 1988.
Of course that did happen, but not as much as it would have done otherwise.
In reality it was that bitch Fawn Hall that was to blame for having the initiative to shred the documents.
What’ve I said now goddamit?
-Former White House Chief of Staff Donald Regan in an interview from “Night of the Neo-Cons: A New Perspective on Iran-Contra."
“The breaking of the Iran-Contra Scandal marked the greatest crisis for the American Executive since Watergate twelve years prior. Coming as it was at the height of the Gulf War between Iran and Iraq, the month long inquiry and resignation of President Reagan would have the effect of bringing American international standing to an historic low. Given the various high profile resignations of senior figures, President Bush would have to contend with a number of challenges to nurse the United States’ battered reputation back to health.
The first of these challenges was the Soviet Union. While President Bush originally aimed to continue Reagan’s hard-line policy towards the Soviet Union with the abandonment of détente, the public outcry over Iran-Contra, which was seen by many as being morally inexcusable, gave the new President little chance of a foreign policy honeymoon and consequently, a return to the old mantra of “Peaceful Co-Existence” was called for. Bush however, given his former experience as director of the CIA was more than capable of understanding the true nature of US-Soviet relations. Like Reagan, he understood the fact that the USSR was doomed to fall under the pressure of economic mismanagement, however, unlike the former occupant of the White House, Bush also feared the possibility of a conservative faction seizing power in the Kremlin in the event of Gorbachev failing in his desire to reform the Soviet economy. Thus, at the high profile meeting between the leaders of the two world Power Blocks in March 1987, a new series of programs regarding economic co-operation was decided to move the Soviet Union towards the free market. Behind the scenes, the phased Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan and the US promise to stop the covert funding of the anti-Soviet guerrillas was also planned.
While ultimately limited to little more than modernisation of the Soviet Union's decaying nuclear power facilities and the importation of new agrarian machinery, the Copenhagen Summit did much to improve US-Soviet relations prior to the gradual disintegration of the Warsaw Pact in the late 1980’s. Gorbachev lacked the time needed to reform the Soviet Union’s economy, but the increased economic aid between the two superpowers did help to ensure that the new Russia which was arise during the early 1990’s would be able to survive as a stable and relatively wealthy Eurasian authority.
-Excerpt from “The Rise to Globalism: American Foreign Policy Since 1938” Stephen Ambrose: Penguin 1998
“Reagan’s gone now; can’t we impeach the PM at some point?”
-Comment overheard from Dennis Skinner MP
“LABOUR INCREASE LEAD AS TORY LEADERSHIP WOES CONTINUE
The latest opinion polls show an increased lead for the Labour Party over the Government as increased Conservative infighting over Europe and the expulsion of the Trotskyite Militant Tendency have begun to affect the views of the public. If the latest Ipsos-MORI poll commissioned by this newspaper were to hold true at the next General Election, Labour would be the largest party in the House of Commons although they would lack a stable majority. Although Government sources were quick to label the findings as “disappointing” but “ultimately not a cause for concern”, privately, many senior Conservative figures are now beginning to seriously consider the position of the Prime Minister with one vocal opponent labelling Mr. Heseltine “unelectable”.
With hours of the release of the poll, Shadow Chancellor Roy Hattersley became the latest figure to call for a General Election, claiming that “Michael Heseltine has once again shown that he lacks the political gravitas, and indeed, competence, to lead this country though the important foreign policy choices that need to be made over the next few years”. It is also thought that both Neil Kinnock and Alliance leader Shirley Williams have conducted talks about a possible coalition government in the event of a Hung Parliament.
William Hill have raised the odds on a Labour victory at the next general election to 3/5”
-Excerpt from The Guardian: 9th January 1987
“Conditions within the Party were now far more homogenous and cordial than they had been less that a year prior. While Benn and Blair were both vocal in their opposition to the European Union, ultimately, the expulsion of Militant and the increasing dire state of the Cabinet only served to improve our poll standing. Indeed, the focus for the Front Bench was on saying only the bare minimum on policy for fear of creating negative newspaper reports from the right-wing press. While we had every intention of curbing the rise of neo-Liberal economics and the “Little Englander” mentality of the Conservative Party, our primary focus was on demonstrating a calm, united, respectable portrayal of a Government-in-Waiting.”
-Former Education Secretary Christopher Morris in a recent interview for the Observer magazine
“The Athens-Ankara Antagonism
The recent skirmishes between Greek and Turkish ships within the Aegean Sea will only serve to bring the two nations to a formal declaration of war. This was the stark warning of the new US Secretary of State William Casey in a statement to the US Congress last week. Since then, conditions have only deteriorated further owing to Athens’s opposition to a number of Turkish vessels carrying out surveys in the region. Should the two nations come to war, it can only serve to increase opposition to Turkish membership of the European Union, given the position of Greece as a member state. Indeed, several prominent Turkish politicians are now considering the possibility of creating a new power block for Balkan nations in the event of the fall of the Warsaw Pact.”
-Excerpt from The Economist: 1st March 1987
“And so it is that I formally declare my intention to run for the position of President of the United States.”
-Statement by Governor Mario Cuomo, 14th March 1987
-President Reagan’s Resignation Speech: 13th December 1986
“Had the While House been able to get a fall guy, North or whoever, I think that the President could have survived easily. But we left it too late and the public were convinced that the Prez must have had a hand in the arms sales. I’ve said it before that that is simply baloney, Reagan knew little about the extent of the deal, but with a Democrat controlled House; the Senate could only block the possibility of Impeachment for a certain amount of time. In reality, I think that the President did the right thing, had he not resigned, the Senate would have looked as if it was covering for him and that could well have led to a Democratic landslide in 1988.
Of course that did happen, but not as much as it would have done otherwise.
In reality it was that bitch Fawn Hall that was to blame for having the initiative to shred the documents.
What’ve I said now goddamit?
-Former White House Chief of Staff Donald Regan in an interview from “Night of the Neo-Cons: A New Perspective on Iran-Contra."
“The breaking of the Iran-Contra Scandal marked the greatest crisis for the American Executive since Watergate twelve years prior. Coming as it was at the height of the Gulf War between Iran and Iraq, the month long inquiry and resignation of President Reagan would have the effect of bringing American international standing to an historic low. Given the various high profile resignations of senior figures, President Bush would have to contend with a number of challenges to nurse the United States’ battered reputation back to health.
The first of these challenges was the Soviet Union. While President Bush originally aimed to continue Reagan’s hard-line policy towards the Soviet Union with the abandonment of détente, the public outcry over Iran-Contra, which was seen by many as being morally inexcusable, gave the new President little chance of a foreign policy honeymoon and consequently, a return to the old mantra of “Peaceful Co-Existence” was called for. Bush however, given his former experience as director of the CIA was more than capable of understanding the true nature of US-Soviet relations. Like Reagan, he understood the fact that the USSR was doomed to fall under the pressure of economic mismanagement, however, unlike the former occupant of the White House, Bush also feared the possibility of a conservative faction seizing power in the Kremlin in the event of Gorbachev failing in his desire to reform the Soviet economy. Thus, at the high profile meeting between the leaders of the two world Power Blocks in March 1987, a new series of programs regarding economic co-operation was decided to move the Soviet Union towards the free market. Behind the scenes, the phased Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan and the US promise to stop the covert funding of the anti-Soviet guerrillas was also planned.
While ultimately limited to little more than modernisation of the Soviet Union's decaying nuclear power facilities and the importation of new agrarian machinery, the Copenhagen Summit did much to improve US-Soviet relations prior to the gradual disintegration of the Warsaw Pact in the late 1980’s. Gorbachev lacked the time needed to reform the Soviet Union’s economy, but the increased economic aid between the two superpowers did help to ensure that the new Russia which was arise during the early 1990’s would be able to survive as a stable and relatively wealthy Eurasian authority.
-Excerpt from “The Rise to Globalism: American Foreign Policy Since 1938” Stephen Ambrose: Penguin 1998
“Reagan’s gone now; can’t we impeach the PM at some point?”
-Comment overheard from Dennis Skinner MP
“LABOUR INCREASE LEAD AS TORY LEADERSHIP WOES CONTINUE
The latest opinion polls show an increased lead for the Labour Party over the Government as increased Conservative infighting over Europe and the expulsion of the Trotskyite Militant Tendency have begun to affect the views of the public. If the latest Ipsos-MORI poll commissioned by this newspaper were to hold true at the next General Election, Labour would be the largest party in the House of Commons although they would lack a stable majority. Although Government sources were quick to label the findings as “disappointing” but “ultimately not a cause for concern”, privately, many senior Conservative figures are now beginning to seriously consider the position of the Prime Minister with one vocal opponent labelling Mr. Heseltine “unelectable”.
With hours of the release of the poll, Shadow Chancellor Roy Hattersley became the latest figure to call for a General Election, claiming that “Michael Heseltine has once again shown that he lacks the political gravitas, and indeed, competence, to lead this country though the important foreign policy choices that need to be made over the next few years”. It is also thought that both Neil Kinnock and Alliance leader Shirley Williams have conducted talks about a possible coalition government in the event of a Hung Parliament.
William Hill have raised the odds on a Labour victory at the next general election to 3/5”
-Excerpt from The Guardian: 9th January 1987
“Conditions within the Party were now far more homogenous and cordial than they had been less that a year prior. While Benn and Blair were both vocal in their opposition to the European Union, ultimately, the expulsion of Militant and the increasing dire state of the Cabinet only served to improve our poll standing. Indeed, the focus for the Front Bench was on saying only the bare minimum on policy for fear of creating negative newspaper reports from the right-wing press. While we had every intention of curbing the rise of neo-Liberal economics and the “Little Englander” mentality of the Conservative Party, our primary focus was on demonstrating a calm, united, respectable portrayal of a Government-in-Waiting.”
-Former Education Secretary Christopher Morris in a recent interview for the Observer magazine
“The Athens-Ankara Antagonism
The recent skirmishes between Greek and Turkish ships within the Aegean Sea will only serve to bring the two nations to a formal declaration of war. This was the stark warning of the new US Secretary of State William Casey in a statement to the US Congress last week. Since then, conditions have only deteriorated further owing to Athens’s opposition to a number of Turkish vessels carrying out surveys in the region. Should the two nations come to war, it can only serve to increase opposition to Turkish membership of the European Union, given the position of Greece as a member state. Indeed, several prominent Turkish politicians are now considering the possibility of creating a new power block for Balkan nations in the event of the fall of the Warsaw Pact.”
-Excerpt from The Economist: 1st March 1987
“And so it is that I formally declare my intention to run for the position of President of the United States.”
-Statement by Governor Mario Cuomo, 14th March 1987
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Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy
Banned
Was Reagan's resignation really plausible? The impression I have - and I admit I could be completely wrong on this - is that, as with Clinton a decade later, it was not the American people who were asking for blood, just Congress. Reagan could tough it out and hope that an attempt at impeachment would hurt the Democrats in '88.
As for the Aegean crisis, keep in mind that Greece was led by the man who had promised, in his '81 electoral program, to get the country out of NATO and order foreign forces out. And if this turns into a war then he might do just that. Furthermore, there's gonna be a lot of pressure on Turkey to back down from the Soviets and their Bulgarian and Syrian allies, and there could be a threat of intervention.
Is Indira still assassinated? Just a passing mention, all I ask.
As for the Aegean crisis, keep in mind that Greece was led by the man who had promised, in his '81 electoral program, to get the country out of NATO and order foreign forces out. And if this turns into a war then he might do just that. Furthermore, there's gonna be a lot of pressure on Turkey to back down from the Soviets and their Bulgarian and Syrian allies, and there could be a threat of intervention.
Is Indira still assassinated? Just a passing mention, all I ask.
While I'll admit that Reagan's resignation was a bit of a stretch (I was in two minds to put it in) I would argue that with no-one else to take the rap owing to Oliver North's arrest Reagan may feel forced into taking such a radical step. Unlike the Monica scandal (which was really just a case of a sexual escapade) Iran-Contra was a grave error of foreign policy for the American Government. While in OTL Reagan was largely unaffected by it, it wouldn't take much to make it rebound on him to the extent that his position would no longer be tenable.
While I am aware of the nature of Papandreou and his stance on Turkey and NATO I confess to not being an expert of Greco-Turkish relations but I assure you that this will (if it comes to war) have an effect on the political structure of the Middle East and the European Union.
I'll address this in my next update.
Aside this I hope that you were fairly satisfied with this update?
Good stuff.
Now you're into 1987: in OTL, 1986 was the year of three harrowing and somewhat random events of global significance, viz. the Challenger disaster, Chernobyl, and Maradona getting away with the most flagrant handball in the World Cup quarter final. Did these events all go as per OTL?
Now you're into 1987: in OTL, 1986 was the year of three harrowing and somewhat random events of global significance, viz. the Challenger disaster, Chernobyl, and Maradona getting away with the most flagrant handball in the World Cup quarter final. Did these events all go as per OTL?
Challenger; bound to I think. Not though being lazy but I can see this happening largely as in OTL with similar effects on the Space Program. With a different Presidency however I have some plans for the Shuttle Program.
Chernobyl: No given that it was always down to a one off experiment. I think the hint to nuclear modernisation as part of the US-Soviet Summit would indicate that Gorberchev understood the need for upgrading the infrastructure.
Maradona: No cheating bastard cheating sodding Hand of God Goal. England are runners up to West Germany.
Hope this is satisfactory.
Do you have any other comments sirs and madams?
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Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy
Banned
I am, in fact. Glad to find someone who takes the butterfly effect seriously.
Thank-you sir, I think that that is one thing that I can do. I'm really pleased that you all like it so far. I hope that Reagan's resignation can be overlooked as being at least plausible, I do think that a few butterfly's would be enough to make him go.
Heh, I even mentioned the International Lepidopterology Congress when I had almost the same date of death for Ted Kennedy, if in doubt, lampshade, that's my motto.
Challenger; bound to I think. Not though being lazy but I can see this happening largely as in OTL with similar effects on the Space Program. With a different Presidency however I have some plans for the Shuttle Program.
Chernobyl: No given that it was always down to a one off experiment. I think the hint to nuclear modernisation as part of the US-Soviet Summit would indicate that Gorberchev understood the need for upgrading the infrastructure.
Maradona: No cheating bastard cheating sodding Hand of God Goal. Britain are runners up to West Germany.
Hope this is satisfactory.
Do you have any other comments sirs and madams?
No thats not at all satisfactory!
Im quite happy for the Hand of God to remain, only fair for a nation that won a World Cup thanks to dodgy refereeing to get knocked out of one for the same
Great TL all the same!
No thats not at all satisfactory!
Im quite happy for the Hand of God to remain, only fair for a nation that won a World Cup thanks to dodgy refereeing to get knocked out of one for the same
Great TL all the same!
I am an Idiot! Idiot! Idiot!
Damn, sorry about that, hence the reason that I'll never be taken seriously on this board.
Changed!
And thank-you for the feedback.