They'd known each other since the early 70s, so it only takes a few changes.
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MaxGerke01
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In real life Camilla could be described as Charles first love-they knew and apparently loved each other before he ever met and married Diana.
A Timeline of King Charles and Queen Camilla's Royal Romance
It's a love story that has endured for decades—despite his marriage to Diana.
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MaxGerke01
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To me the interesting thing about Camilla is the issue of issue. She had two children from her first marriage in 1974 and 1978 and would have been in her mid 30's in the early 1980's so still young enough to have more children but as we know sometimes its more difficult the older you get. If Charles and Camilla didnt have children there would be a lot of focus on Prince Andrew as he would become the heir apparent as would his children-wonder if he still marries Fergie or if its also someone else brought forward by the butterflies. It would seem that in the FAM timelines 2021 the second and third heirs to the British throne arent named William and George...
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Do we know what the electoral maps for TTL's 1972, 1976, and 1980 are? In one episode it was said that 1972 was a landslide win for Ted Kennedy, somewhere it was mentioned that 1976 was a squeaker for Reagan that hinged on Ohio, and in the first episode of the new season 1980 was another squeaker for Reagan over Mondale.
One possibility for 1976:
1976 Presidential Election Interactive Map - 270toWin
Create an alternate history with this 1976 interactive electoral map. Develop your own what-if scenarios. Change the president, the states won and the nominees.
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I'm unsure how much of a role Marge Slayton would play in the new season, but she and Deke are real.
Some possible reasons:
Sea Dragons are relatively rare and/or tasked to lunar operations and nothing but. Therefore you’re left with what an old Saturn can put up.
We know it went up later than OTL, possibly much later. Possibly not until the shuttle fleet made it feasible to crew it and the still-expanding Jamestown at the same time, so late 70s? So it might still just be a matter of operational life.
Also it could be that Russia (again, later than OTL) starts putting Salyut together and Reagan is like, “heck no, what can we do?” And NASA is like, “literally we can do this tomorrow,” and show him Skylab. “Perfect.” And then it’s this red-headed step child we’ve launched on a whim that needs to be maintained as part of the general pissing contest that is current foreign policy, but that doesn’t mean the administration ready to piss MORE than they already are just yet.
And maybe another reason is politics. Maybe we want bigger commitments from allies, or they want a bigger say, or both. So we’re waiting on independent launch systems from the ESA or Japan, or we’re still wrangling over crew and composition.
One would hope that by the early 80s, the second-gen facility is nearing the deployment phase. Because I agree, Skylab is literally the least you can do.
Yeah, if the idea is that the Moon is where its at, two 10-person bases seem like a much better idea than one 30-person colony. Especially if you've locked the Russians into one location and can almost certainly spend them into the ground. Force them to focus on Shackleton while you set up camp everywhere else.
We heard that "Mariner 14" was in the inner solar system in episode 1, which is four more than Mariner got to IOTL, so the rising tide seems to have lifted that boat! I can't imagine the show's creators not giving us a more complete Grand Tour as well, right? That's probably ongoing.
List of Cardinal Electors during a hypothetical 1981 Conclave
*Feel free to use this list for any alternate history involving JPII's assassination on May 13, 1981
Not in attendance:
*Feel free to use this list for any alternate history involving JPII's assassination on May 13, 1981
- Antonio Samorè
- Francesco Carpino
- Sebastiano Baggio
- Stéphanos I Sidarouss
- Giuseppe Siri
- Paul Émile Léger
- José María Bueno y Monreal
- Franz König
- Laurean Rugambwa
- José Humberto Quintero Parra
- Juan Landázuri Ricketts
- Raúl Silva Henríquez
- Leo-Jozef Suenens
- Thomas Benjamin Cooray
- Maurice Roy
- Owen McCann
- Léon-Étienne Duval
- Ermenegildo Florit
- Franjo Šeper
- Paul Zoungrana
- Agnelo Rossi
- Giovanni Colombo
- Gabriel-Marie Garrone
- Maximilien de Furstenberg
- John Joseph Krol
- John Patrick Cody
- Corrado Ursi
- Justinus Darmojuwono
- Michele Pellegrino
- Alexandre-Charles Renard
- Alfredo Vicente Scherer
- Julio Rosales y Ras
- Gordon Joseph Gray
- Paolo Bertoli
- Joseph Parecattil
- John Francis Dearden
- François Marty
- George Bernard Flahiff
- Paul Gouyon
- Mario Casariego y Acevedo
- Vicente Enrique y Tarancón
- Joseph Malula
- Pablo Muñoz Vega
- Antonio Poma
- John Joseph Carberry
- Terence James Cooke
- Stephen Kim Sou-hwan
- Eugênio de Araújo Sales
- Joseph Höffner
- Johannes Willebrands
- António Ribeiro
- James Robert Knox
- Avelar Brandão Vilela
- Joseph Cordeiro
- Aníbal Muñoz Duque
- Luis Aponte Martínez
- Raúl Francisco Primatesta
- Salvatore Pappalardo
- Marcelo González Martín
- Louis-Jean Guyot
- Ugo Poletti
- Timothy Manning
- Maurice Michael Otunga
- José Salazar López
- Humberto Sousa Medeiros
- Paulo Evaristo Arns
- James Darcy Freeman
- Narciso Jubany Arnau
- Hermann Volk
- Pio Taofinuʻu
- Octavio Antonio Beras Rojas
- Juan Carlos Aramburu
- Hyacinthe Thiandoum
- Emmanuel Nsubuga
- Lawrence Trevor Picachy
- Jaime Lachica Sin
- William Wakefield Baum
- Aloísio Lorscheider
- László Lékai
- George Basil Hume
- Victor Razafimahatratra
- Dominic Ignatius Ekandem
- Giovanni Benelli
- Joseph Ratzinger [Vid of him leaving Munich for Rome in OTL 1982]
- Pericle Felici
- Silvio Oddi
- Giuseppe Paupini
- Mario Nasalli Rocca di Corneliano
- Sergio Guerri
- Umberto Mozzoni
- Paul-Pierre Philippe
- Pietro Palazzini
- Opilio Rossi
- Giuseppe Maria Sensi
- Corrado Bafile
- Joseph Schröffer
- Eduardo Francisco Pironio
- Bernardin Gantin
- Mario Luigi Ciappi
- Agostino Casaroli
- Giuseppe Caprio
- Marco Cé
- Egano Righi-Lambertini
- Joseph-Marie Trịnh Văn Căn
- Ernesto Civardi
- Ernesto Corripio y Ahumada
- Joseph Asajiro Satowaki
- Roger Etchegaray
- Anastasio Ballestrero
- Tomás Ó Fiaich
- Gerald Emmett Carter
- Franciszek Macharski
- Władysław Rubin
Not in attendance:
- Carlos Carmelo Vasconcellos Motta [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
- Carlo Confalonieri [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
- Paolo Marella [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
- Josyf Slipyj [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
- Lawrence Shehan [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
- Patrick O'Boyle [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
- Pietro Parente [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
- František Tomášek [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
- Miguel Darío Miranda y Gómez [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
- Ferdinando Giuseppe Antonelli [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
- Stefan Wyszyński [Died on May 28th, 1981 due to abdominal cancer. Would probably not participate]
- Bernardus Johannes Alfrink [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
- José Clemente Maurer [Ineligible to vote due to being 80 years of age]
- Ignatius Kung Pin-mei [Created in pectore, revealed 29 May 1991 in OTL]
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I assume Siri (5) and Benelli (84) will clash again. Maybe this time, Lorscheider (79) may be the non-italian compromise candidate.
So we know from the opening montage that Chrysler goes down. Are there any other companies that aren't going to make it without government intervention?
I was wondering about the DC9. Mostly because I was thinking it makes a lot more sense to build and prep the Sea Dragon in Long Beach than it does to build is somewhere east of the Mississippi and float it through the Panama Canal. So if they stop making DC9s in Long Beach, that's prime rocket real estate, right?
Any other companies likely to go the way of the Dodge Dart?
I was wondering about the DC9. Mostly because I was thinking it makes a lot more sense to build and prep the Sea Dragon in Long Beach than it does to build is somewhere east of the Mississippi and float it through the Panama Canal. So if they stop making DC9s in Long Beach, that's prime rocket real estate, right?
Any other companies likely to go the way of the Dodge Dart?
SpaceOrbisGaming
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I think it had something to do with people going over the wall and a shootout happening. But that is just something I heard so take that as a guess on my part.
I fixed a mistake. I accidentally included an already dead cardinal.
Anyway, It's difficult to predict who would have been pope without the use of OTL knowledge/hindsight.
At the very least, I can try to give out some possible candidates:
Italian
-Siri: Archbishop of Genoa, age 74. Still possible to be elected, but his traditionalist views would prevent him to gain support from the majority of the cardinals. ITTL, however, John Paul II's assassination may convince some cardinals to elect someone who will be vocal against the Soviet Union.
-Casaroli: Secretary of State, age 66. Was valuable to John Paul II due to his anti-communist work, but was perceived to be "soft" on Communism. Some traditionalists have accused him of being a Freemason. Could still be papabile, however, his nephew's (alleged) future betrayal makes it more complicated.
-Benelli: Archbishop of Florence, age 60. Was papabile in the last election, but his health could be of some concern...
(Honorable mentions: Carpino, Ursi, Felici)
European
-Lékai: Archbishop of Esztergom, age 71. The only Cardinal from the Warsaw Pact nations, besides Macharski and Rubin, who would have participated in the conclave.
-Willebrands: Archbishop of Utrecht, age 72. Was papabile, but his background from the increasingly heterodox Dutch church makes it awkward for him to be elected.
-König: Archbishop of Vienna, age 75. Suggested that Wojtyła be elected pope, may be looked upon as a decent non-Italian candidate, but his age may prevent him from being chosen.
(Ratzinger was not yet Prefect for the CDF, so his name was not strongly connected to JPII at the time.)
Non-European (Probably too soon to occur, but I'll give it a shot)
-Gantin
-Sales
(No way will they elect an American )
For now, that's all I could think of. I could definitely be wrong. I wonder if the show will have any mention of it?
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