For All Mankind (AH Tv series at Apple TV)

How will the Soviets react wheb they hear they were beaten by a country using mostly their OLD tech...

I mean, it's primarily an engineering problem if your goal is to get an astronaut/cosmonaut to Mars, but don't care if they come home. The DPRK just basically yeeted a guy across the inner Solar System in a modified Soyuz capsule with 0 chance of coming home for the glory of Kim Il-Sung.

I think the question now is: Who's going to be left behind on Mars? Danielle won't leave the Korean Cosmonaut on Mars, she's too NASA for that. They lost two astronauts rescuing the Soviet Mars 1 crew in deep space. There's no way she's going to leave Best Korea's #1 Cosmonaut-who-totally-drank-his-own-urine-for-months on Mars to die slowly. In that thread, I think Ed is going to volunteer to stay behind on Mars because of that wound on his side. He's still getting salves for the pain, I think we're going to find out that he isn't healing in the low gravity and radiation on the surface. So the return to Earth will have the surviving Soviets, Danielle and the NASA crew, Helios, and our new addition from Best Korea.
 
Why is everyone saying the DPRK ship was manned in the most recent episode? I thought it was supposed to be a probe?
Let me guess: you have not watched the last episode?

Also, I notice this reminds me of an old Italian-made conspiracy/urban legend on Space Race:


Some stories talk about supposed "probes" who were said to be actually man-manned, but it was kept hidden. Maybe this old legend inspired the writers?
 
Let me guess: you have not watched the last episode?

Also, I notice this reminds me of an old Italian-made conspiracy/urban legend on Space Race:


Some stories talk about supposed "probes" who were said to be actually man-manned, but it was kept hidden. Maybe this old legend inspired the writers?
So I rewatched the episode and paid closer attention.
Yep, he's got a North Korean Flag on his suit. What the fuck? Where are they gonna go with this?
 
I mean, it's primarily an engineering problem if your goal is to get an astronaut/cosmonaut to Mars, but don't care if they come home. The DPRK just basically yeeted a guy across the inner Solar System in a modified Soyuz capsule with 0 chance of coming home for the glory of Kim Il-Sung.
I think the question now is: Who's going to be left behind on Mars? Danielle won't leave the Korean Cosmonaut on Mars, she's too NASA for that. They lost two astronauts rescuing the Soviet Mars 1 crew in deep space. There's no way she's going to leave Best Korea's #1 Cosmonaut-who-totally-drank-his-own-urine-for-months on Mars to die slowly. In that thread, I think Ed is going to volunteer to stay behind on Mars because of that wound on his side. He's still getting salves for the pain, I think we're going to find out that he isn't healing in the low gravity and radiation on the surface. So the return to Earth will have the surviving Soviets, Danielle and the NASA crew, Helios, and our new addition from Best Korea.
I wonder if the North Korean probe becomes a kind of deus ex machina solution for most problems. Perhaps it has not only parts they need but also enough usable fuel for more than one travel of the Popeye? So nobody needs to stay behind.
Except the Korean. He might think that Mars is better than home.
The Korean success can be a useful tool for all space programs. I can see NASA shouting: " Come on, even North Korea can go to Mars and we decide it is too risky or too expensive? We stop our space program now and you can bet the Soviets, Chinese, Koreans or perhaps even India, Brasil or even Vanuatu* will gladly take our place. And then we wake up with Mars being really the Red Planet". In Moscow heads will roll (bye, bye, Sergey). At least the North Korean ship actually reached Mars, unlike the Soviet one.
So the astronauts on Mars are saved, space exploration is saved, season 4 is saved.
But I kind of agree that North Korean cosmonaut on Mars might be too close to jumping the shark.

*With all respect to the wonderful people of Vanuatu and their country.
 
And again the US is not first. So the feet in the end of season 2 belong to the korean astronaut. I wonder how he survived this long.
Also interesting that the turks seem to be doing good.
 
I don't see them having a space programme is that out of the question, earlier on in this season it's been established the major space powers have been selling their tech (indeed, thats why they are there, to get a Soviet gizmo from the probe). DPRK was fairly affluent during the Cold War, especially compared to the last couple of decades.
It doesn't matter if it was mentioned early in the series it's a stupid thing to write and is completely unrealistic. And no North Korea was not affluent by first world standards so don't rationalize it.

Some random third world country like Argentina, South Africa or Iraq was more affluent than North Korea at that time. It was a stupid decision that drives the show into ASB territory.
 
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It doesn't matter if it was mentioned early in the series it's a stupid thing to write and is completely unrealistic. And no North Korea was not affluent by first world standards so don't rationalize it.

Some random third world country like Argentina, South Africa or Iraq was more affluent than North Korea at that time. It was a stupid decision that drives the show into ASB territory.
IMHO fusion power in the 1980s is already ASB territory. But with regards to North Korea, we should keep in mind Argentina, to a point Apartheid South Africa and even a bit Iraq need to balance their people's needs into their budgets. Or, at the very least in Iraq's case, a military capable of fending for itself instead of relying on China and the USSR if push came to shove.
North Korea, OTOH, can spend into whatever the current Kim wants, and they'll also be licensing Soviet technology, so their needs to do R&D is limited. And if your astronaut's lives matter little to you and you can put people in Earth's orbit, sending astronauts to Mars can be a matter of adding extra fuel, a greenhouse and crossing your fingers during the landing part. After all, you can go to Mars with a "regular" hydrogen or kerosene powered rocket - you need a bigger rocket, multiple launches and to carry little payload. Would it suck for that astronaut stuck in that tin can? Absolutely. But why should the North Korean king care?
 
It doesn't matter if it was mentioned early in the series it's a stupid thing to write and is completely unrealistic. And no North Korea was not affluent by first world standards so don't rationalize it.

Some random third world country like Argentina, South Africa or Iraq was more affluent than North Korea at that time. It was a stupid decision that drives the show into ASB territory.
I didn't say they were affluent by first world standards, but they were compared to the famine stricken disaster they are now.
 
IMHO fusion power in the 1980s is already ASB territory. But with regards to North Korea, we should keep in mind Argentina, to a point Apartheid South Africa and even a bit Iraq need to balance their people's needs into their budgets. Or, at the very least in Iraq's case, a military capable of fending for itself instead of relying on China and the USSR if push came to shove.
North Korea, OTOH, can spend into whatever the current Kim wants, and they'll also be licensing Soviet technology, so their needs to do R&D is limited. And if your astronaut's lives matter little to you and you can put people in Earth's orbit, sending astronauts to Mars can be a matter of adding extra fuel, a greenhouse and crossing your fingers during the landing part. After all, you can go to Mars with a "regular" hydrogen or kerosene powered rocket - you need a bigger rocket, multiple launches and to carry little payload. Would it suck for that astronaut stuck in that tin can? Absolutely. But why should the North Korean king care?
I will add that the Korean rocket refueled in orbit. Most likely at the Soviet orbital station. So fuel is not a problem. Interestingly, on the map of Mars, the Koreans have another "rover" to the northwest.

Why is North Korea called the People's Republic of Korea?
 
I will add that the Korean rocket refueled in orbit. Most likely at the Soviet orbital station. So fuel is not a problem. Interestingly, on the map of Mars, the Koreans have another "rover" to the northwest.

Why is North Korea called the People's Republic of Korea?
That's it's official name
 
Well um.
We have to all remember that this Alt-history North Korea has not lost half of its economy in the 1990s mainly thanks to the fact that the Soviets are maintaining their zero-interest exports to the nation, so things like cheap oil and electricity are still common, so the downward spiral that the nation suffered in the 1990s has not happened so the nation isn't the true hermit kingdom that we all know of in the 21st century.

Apparently the DPRK "unmanned" probe launching in the 94 window had actually docked in orbit to refuel before heading to Mars so North Korea has a orbital refueling platform near Earth which gives us an idea of their current Space infrastructure, there is also another North Korean probe on the surface of Mars. It is noteworthy that India and Turkey have both landed 3 Probes on the surface of Mars although its likely that they were sample return missions and not manned suicide missions to Mars

Although its highly likely that the plan the North Korean space program had with its maned one way trip to Mars mission was to have their astronaut hitch a ride back to Earth with the Mars 94 mission, the gun and tactical vest that the North Korean astronaut has is basically insurance that he won't be left behind on Mars.

Here is a good video documenting the Chekhov's gun moment of For All Mankind, although I seriously thought that we were going to see the North Korean flag and a dead body instead of this plot twist...

 
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I’m reserving judgment on the ending until I see the next episode. My hunch is that DPRK most likely got to Mars after the U.S. and USSR and there’s something about the mission that the Soviets or possibly the Chinese haven’t told us about yet (perhaps it links back to the Margo subplot?).

What I am confident about is that FAM is clearly setting up Ellen’s VP to defeat her in the GOP primary. Backlash against this combined with the ongoing economic devastation caused by the transition away from fossil fuels and increased backlash towards NASA (especially if Margo’s work with the Soviets leaks out) will cause a Democrat to win in 1996. I’m guessing that it’ll be Gephardt, Boxer, or Lieberman since they’ve all been mentioned on the show so far. However, some kind of incident in space involving a hostile nation like North Korea, Iran, or China between 1997 and 2000 will probably then lead to greater public support for NASA and John McCain getting elected in 2000.
 
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oh Ronald D Moore.

You couldn't resist could you?

It seems like two and half seasons of a series is really all he can manage before he goes totally off the rail, writes himself into a hole, and then starts to pull things out of his arse to try and get out again.
 
I'm curious what will happen to the Baldwins going forward. Assuming Karen saves Helios from outright bankruptcy and is able to thread the needle of the board's demands for revenue and her, Ed and Dev's desire to keep pushing the envelope in space, post timeskip we could see a burgeoning capitalist space nation with Ed and Karen in charge. And if the US government goes through with gutting NASA there's going to be a lot of former personnel looking work.

Additionally if the Soviet Union does collapse their lunar base could be the last standing remnant of the USSR, trading moon resources for food and other supplies from Earth, creating a second space nation but communist.

Earth turns away from space, but there's already enough infrastructure and willing people up there to keep the Space Race going.
 
I’m reserving judgment on the ending until I see the next episode. My hunch is that DPRK most likely got to Mars after the U.S. and USSR and there’s something about the mission that the Soviets or possibly the Chinese haven’t told us about yet (perhaps it links back to the Margo subplot?).
Well since the spoilers are dead I guess I'll go and mention that all the way back in the end of Season 2 we saw the North Korean astronaut step foot on a Mars that was covered in a dust storm.

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This subtle little hint from a year ago implies that the maned DPRK probe likely landed on the Martian surface in the middle of the dust storm in 1995 that covered Mars landing sites in episode 5 of Season 3, this storm prevented Helios from winning the race to Mars and allowed the Joint US/USSR mission to catch up and "win" the race to Mars...

The fact the North Korean astronaut was already standing on Mars during the 1995 dust storm that was covering the landing sites of Helios and the US/USSR can only mean one indisputable fact, that the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea has likely triumphed against the impossible odds of being the first nation to land a man on Mars.
 
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