I believe there's another map in the episode 1 opener that has even more of the world going "red," though the exact definition remains unclear.Just watching that set of news clips, this means that there is no open Internet in 1996?
I wonder what the effect of not having IRQ, newsgroups, forums, etc will have on people, ideas, and TV shows?
Also would a Communist President in Mexico lead to The Wall being built?
World Map of Communist governments in 1988.
What effect on Clinton's career if he took on VP Gore, got the nomination and then lost the election?
Just watched the launch of the 1994 Mars Missions again and realised how much space stuff Ellen has on the Resolute desk....
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This is a much more realistic expansion. The only ones I can't buy are Greece and Turkey. Communism had been largely discounted in those countries for years but I'll allow it. Maybe the newspaper in the opening reel was fearmongering. Soviet-Chinese Rapprochement though is goddamned scary.Just watching that set of news clips, this means that there is no open Internet in 1996?
I wonder what the effect of not having IRQ, newsgroups, forums, etc will have on people, ideas, and TV shows?
Also would a Communist President in Mexico lead to The Wall being built?
World Map of Communist governments in 1988.
What effect on Clinton's career if he took on VP Gore, got the nomination and then lost the election?
Just watched the launch of the 1994 Mars Missions again and realised how much space stuff Ellen has on the Resolute desk....
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Could just be Papandreou taking Greece out of NATO. There's at least a trail of breadcrumbs that can get us there. I'm less sure what might've happened in Turkey...the democracy reboot in the 80s fails, maybe? Repression leads to revolution and it's a fight between religious parties and Soviet proxies, with Hart unwilling to back the former?
This was mostly rhetoric on his part, to cap the Civil War nostalgic crowd and the wannabe Commies. In the meanwhile, 80s and 90s Greece saw rampant capitalistic practices and almost naked cronyism linked to PASOK governments but I suppose Gorbachev's rise giving him credible way to gain an even tighter hold on the Greek hearts and minds by actually leaving NATO while essentially changing nothing politically and having nothing to fear from a passive US could be the likely explanation.
There were plenty of other networking technologies than those used by the early ARPAnet, and a strong university presence from the very first days of it. ISTM very unlikely that "government patents" could prevent the emergence of alternative large computer networks - particularly in Europe, Japan, and a more capable Russia. But it would look quite different without the centralized role the US played IOTL, of course.
Maybe it was a tacit agreement among all countries government (either willingly or strong-armed by most powerful ones) to not have something like our Internet created for everyone. It is possible a limited version of it (for education and information purpouse only, as things for enterintainement probably do not exist, at least, not immediatly, as well as social networks) whose access is given to people who have reasons or usefulness for it, or who apply to have right to use it.
I do not know if this world NOT having a free, boundless Internet is a bad thing or not.
IDK, I think it's more likely that instead of having a global interconnected internet, this world probably has a lot of Minitel like systems and limited international connections maybe?
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They lost entire military crew of Shuttle Pathfinder do decompression (someone misfired there gun in pressure cabin ?)
Biggest surprise is that USA NOT intervene in second Gulf War aka Kuwait invasion.
Since US is not so dependent from Oil, what bring OPEC into trouble and special Saudi Arabia
I wonder what this will bring for problems in season 3/4
No WWW in this world !
That E-post in season 2 seems to work on another basis
One dozen nation do active Spaceflight in Low earth orbit (including North Korea and Turkey) !
litte error Soviet Union exist also Russian space agency ROSCOSMOS it must be label SOVCOSMO !
So the bunch demonstrating at NASA are Miners, Oil industry workers
Biggest surprise is that USA NOT intervene in second Gulf War aka Kuwait invasion.
Since US is not so dependent from Oil, what bring OPEC into trouble and special Saudi Arabia
I wonder what this will bring for problems in season 3/4
No WWW in this world !
That E-post in season 2 seems to work on another basis
One dozen nation do active Spaceflight in Low earth orbit (including North Korea and Turkey) !
litte error Soviet Union exist also Russian space agency ROSCOSMOS it must be label SOVCOSMO !
So the bunch demonstrating at NASA are Miners, Oil industry workers
The show is currently set in 1994 and the commercial internet didn't really hit it big until the late 90s OTL to be honest.
Back in the early 90s i was ftp-ing and telnet-ing to sites on the British academic network JANET (i think a connection to the "internet" didn't occur to until just before the mid-90s - can't quite remember when, i know when i started uni in 1990 it wasn't connected), could easily have a number of such networks in the world in the FAM timeline.
Back in the early 90s i was ftp-ing and telnet-ing to sites on the British academic network JANET (i think a connection to the "internet" didn't occur to until just before the mid-90s - can't quite remember when, i know when i started uni in 1990 it wasn't connected), could easily have a number of such networks in the world in the FAM timeline.
Chile is communist on this timeline how strange. I had talked about the nuclear race between Brazil and Argentina, the possible war between Chile and Argentina and, finally, the possible invasion of Uruguay by Brazil. But now with the map it is very likely that the triple alliance will be rekindled (an alliance between argentina, brazil and uruguay) the only difference will be the entry of paraguay and probably bolivia. To be honest the tension in south america must be tremendous, with a war could happen due to a small mistake.Just watching that set of news clips, this means that there is no open Internet in 1996?
I wonder what the effect of not having IRQ, newsgroups, forums, etc will have on people, ideas, and TV shows?
Also would a Communist President in Mexico lead to The Wall being built?
World Map of Communist governments in 1988.
What effect on Clinton's career if he took on VP Gore, got the nomination and then lost the election?
Just watched the launch of the 1994 Mars Missions again and realised how much space stuff Ellen has on the Resolute desk....
With the US proving itself incompetent to stop communism on the American continent, the fact that a league of other anti-communist countries hasn't appeared is strange. The nuclear race would probably occur but with Argentina and Brazil on the same side. It will probably not be talked about on the show due to the fact and Latin America will fall to communism somehow to create more tension. But it would be interesting if the USA had to basically try to be the diplomat among the countries of Latin America.
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not so strange, as General Augusto Pinochet, change the constitution of Chile to become President in 1980.
allot Chilean revolutionaries joined the Sandinista army in Nicaragua, guerrilla forces in Argentina or training camps in Cuba, Eastern Europe and Northern Africa !
seems they were return successful to remove Pinochet in 1988, during mass civil resistance after Chile economic crash.
didn't know that. But it is strange that Argentina and Brazil were not involved in the conflict.
I predict that competition in phone networks dropping the cost of long distance call and the spread of personal computer will lead to multiple independent systems. By this point I bet we have a web of Compuserve, Genie like services by big corporation with hobbyists pursuing BBS style relay nets, with some oddballs coming out of academia. A wild card is how much video accelerated the digitalization of the phone network.
See
FidoNet - Wikipedia
Also Fidonet OTL peaked around 1996 so whatever out there probably climbed past the 40k mark in the late 80s and without the Internet probably continues to climb.
In short there is another way to skin the "World Wide Web of things".
And probably just obscure enough to fly underneath the radar of the show runners. Despite it popularity among PC users of the early 90s.
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They had own problems:
Argentina Junta try occupy the Falklands in 1982 and failed miserably, follow by uprise by population, the dictatorship collapse fast afterwards
Brazil was Already in transition from Military rule on return to democracy in 1985.
I think the key difference in FAM's universe is that the USA can no more afford to set up local dictators to be sure no communist government ever rises. The Space Race is the main focus, and with the URSS still here and powerful as ever, the socialist movements have a powerful realpolitik ally.
There was the malvinas war?
the military junta liberalized in a very different world, I'm not saying they wouldn't. But it will not be a total democracy. The parliament will likely be elected but the leader will remain a military man
I don't know about chile, but in brazil and argentina it's not something as simple as military takes power. In both the vast majority of the middle class supported the taking and continuation of power. Being surrounded by so many communists ,it is strange that an alliance of despair between Brazil and Argentina was not made.
The Argentinian hated their own dictators (the whole war for the Falkland was an attempt to distract them and remain in power) and if the FAM's Brazil was somehow like ours (99% of pupulation poor and living in favelas, while the 1% has huge estates and live a rich lyfestyle) thn it was a very fertile ground for a communist revolution. The show did not say anything, but it could have happened like that...
I thought it was similar to the Brazilian who had huge popular support.
And here to show that knowledge of the Brazilian dictatorship is little known. The nation had a gigantic economic and population growth, with health projects very popular. That gave greater legitimacy to the military government, so it's not 99 in the favela with 1 rich. In fact, the Brazilian Gross Domestic Product (GDP) grew a lot during the military government. 1973 marked the height of the “economic miracle”, with GDP growing by 14%. Per capita GDP, which divides all the wealth accumulated during the period across the entire population of the country, went from US$261 in 1964 to US$1,643 in 1985.
If the lost decade does not occur (which was a very bad period for the economy), which is very likely considering the stability presented in the world. the military will remain in power or make a mix of military and civilian.
Stop imagining a group of people who are authoritarian, stupid and who just want to hurt the country (a half-American view of dictatorship, as group of people who just wants to destroy country) and start imagining that they are people who are authoritarian and competent that in their worldview, just want to improve the nation.
Areas of assistance policy driven by the military, food and nutrition programs.
They are:
Food supplementation for needy people, through the Health Nutrition Program (PNS), the School Meal Program (Pnae), the Food Complementation Program (PCA) and the Worker's Food Program (PAT), and the rationalization of the essential food production and marketing system, as an incentive for small rural producers, through programs such as the Food Acquisition Program in Low Income Rural Areas (Procab) and the Low Income Urban Areas Supply Program (Proab) (D'ARAUJO; SOARES, 1994, p.286).
This entire organizational and directive body, comprised of LBA, Funabem, Febem and the National Institute of Food and Nutrition (Inan), whose creation was responsible for the formulation, coordination and control of policy in the area, gave substance to the area of assistance policy, encompassing significant financial, bureaucratic and administrative resources, especially from the second half of the 1970s onwards.
Finally, the regime's innovation with regard to housing policy can be seen, which represents a formidable advance when the specific objectives and goals undertaken by the military are assessed.
In 1964, with the creation of the Federal Housing and Urbanism Service, the National Housing Bank (BNH) and the National Housing Plan, the foundations of the housing policy for the country were defined. The system's financial base would be backed by the balance of applications from the Severance Indemnity Fund (FGTS), which functioned as unemployment insurance, and deposits in savings accounts.
The creation of the BNH aimed to promote the market for access to home ownership, conceived according to income classes distributed into three segments: “the popular, made up of families with income up to three minimum wages; the economic one, with income between three and six; and the average, from six upwards”. (D'ARAUJO; SOARES, 1994).
I have to admit my mistake, as the few things I knew from Brazil showed me a country with great resources but unequal welfare.
Just to check, how was OTL'S story of communism in Brasil and twoard its government?