For All Mankind (AH Tv series at Apple TV)

This is handled in one of those apparently hard-to-find news broadcasts. It's a basic border incident that escalates. A couple scale the wall, East German troops pursue and kill them, exchange fire with Western troops, the local Eastern commander activates forces around West Berlin, both powers go on nuclear alert. They don't say exactly how the two sides stand down, but I guess it's just status quo with a diplomatic protest filed.
odd that story remind me of something:
 
Correct, she is Duchess of Cornwall IOTL and is also legally Princess of Wales, but she styles herself as Duchess of Cornwall because Princess of Wales continues to be associated with Diana. However, it has been indicated she will also be styled as Princess Consort (which will require her creation as a Princess, much like Philip before her) rather than Queen Consort if/when Charles succeeds to the throne.

The fact that the marriage is shown to occur c. 1982 would rather indicate that Diana doesn't come into play and therefore suggests that there must be a different reason that she doesn't assume the Princess of Wales title.

Possible that Tom Parker-Bowles marries Princess Anne in the early 1970s, so there isn't the messy issue of divorce and remarriage under the Church of England (technically not allowed until 2002 if the previous partner was still alive) but Charles doesn't want to marry until Brenda forces his hand, saying he must and then him insisting that if he shall marry he will damn well marry Camilla.

It would have been better if the writers explained bit by bit how Camilla gets involved with the British Royal family more than 20 years earlier. I'm already confused as to how it could have happened, compared to what did happen in real-life.

Speaking of unexplained alternate events, when I first heard that Roman Polanski was caught trying to escape to Canada, I thought that the choice of country made no sense. In real life, Polanski fled to London and then to France. Why would he go to Canada? The Canadians already have an extradition treaty with the United States since the 70's. The moment he lands on Canadian soil, he'd be handed back to the Americans.

Whatever the reasons the writers chose for this event to occur (vengeance?), it looks as if they didn't do their homework for this specific change of event.
 
Speaking of unexplained alternate events, when I first heard that Roman Polanski was caught trying to escape to Canada, I thought that the choice of country made no sense. In real life, Polanski fled to London and then to France. Why would he go to Canada? The Canadians already have an extradition treaty with the United States since the 70's. The moment he lands on Canadian soil, he'd be handed back to the Americans.
to get from US to London you need a Airport
There not much data how Polanski got from LA over London to Paris on 31 January 1978,

One option is the California authority discover Polanski is on run an issue arrest warrant.
Polanski get that news over media during transit from LA to NY to get his plane to London,
He decide get out plane else were, take rental car and drive north in naive hope to escape over Canada to Paris

Now he doing 50 years of Prison in TL until year 2028...
 
It would have been better if the writers explained bit by bit how Camilla gets involved with the British Royal family more than 20 years earlier. I'm already confused as to how it could have happened, compared to what did happen in real-life.
They'd known each other since the early 70s, so it only takes a few changes.
 
To me the interesting thing about Camilla is the issue of issue. She had two children from her first marriage in 1974 and 1978 and would have been in her mid 30's in the early 1980's so still young enough to have more children but as we know sometimes its more difficult the older you get. If Charles and Camilla didnt have children there would be a lot of focus on Prince Andrew as he would become the heir apparent as would his children-wonder if he still marries Fergie or if its also someone else brought forward by the butterflies. It would seem that in the FAM timelines 2021 the second and third heirs to the British throne arent named William and George...
 
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Do we know what the electoral maps for TTL's 1972, 1976, and 1980 are? In one episode it was said that 1972 was a landslide win for Ted Kennedy, somewhere it was mentioned that 1976 was a squeaker for Reagan that hinged on Ohio, and in the first episode of the new season 1980 was another squeaker for Reagan over Mondale.
 
Do we know what the electoral maps for TTL's 1972, 1976, and 1980 are? In one episode it was said that 1972 was a landslide win for Ted Kennedy, somewhere it was mentioned that 1976 was a squeaker for Reagan that hinged on Ohio, and in the first episode of the new season 1980 was another squeaker for Reagan over Mondale.
One possibility for 1976:

 
One thing I wondering about. Why skylab? You have SeaDragon! You can put up the iss in one go! Multiple bigger ones infact, one for the airforce one for nasa/esa even. Why work to keep that one up when ragone probably wonts his freedom station at this point.
 
One thing I wondering about. Why skylab? You have SeaDragon! You can put up the iss in one go! Multiple bigger ones infact, one for the airforce one for nasa/esa even. Why work to keep that one up when ragone probably wonts his freedom station at this point.

Some possible reasons:

Sea Dragons are relatively rare and/or tasked to lunar operations and nothing but. Therefore you’re left with what an old Saturn can put up.

We know it went up later than OTL, possibly much later. Possibly not until the shuttle fleet made it feasible to crew it and the still-expanding Jamestown at the same time, so late 70s? So it might still just be a matter of operational life.

Also it could be that Russia (again, later than OTL) starts putting Salyut together and Reagan is like, “heck no, what can we do?” And NASA is like, “literally we can do this tomorrow,” and show him Skylab. “Perfect.” And then it’s this red-headed step child we’ve launched on a whim that needs to be maintained as part of the general pissing contest that is current foreign policy, but that doesn’t mean the administration ready to piss MORE than they already are just yet.

And maybe another reason is politics. Maybe we want bigger commitments from allies, or they want a bigger say, or both. So we’re waiting on independent launch systems from the ESA or Japan, or we’re still wrangling over crew and composition.

One would hope that by the early 80s, the second-gen facility is nearing the deployment phase. Because I agree, Skylab is literally the least you can do.
 
I am surprised there is only one Moon base in season 2.

You’d have thought another crater would have water and a base by now.

Wonder what happening with Venus and the outer planets- are they still sending probes?
 
I am surprised there is only one Moon base in season 2.

You’d have thought another crater would have water and a base by now.

Wonder what happening with Venus and the outer planets- are they still sending probes?
Yeah, if the idea is that the Moon is where its at, two 10-person bases seem like a much better idea than one 30-person colony. Especially if you've locked the Russians into one location and can almost certainly spend them into the ground. Force them to focus on Shackleton while you set up camp everywhere else.

We heard that "Mariner 14" was in the inner solar system in episode 1, which is four more than Mariner got to IOTL, so the rising tide seems to have lifted that boat! I can't imagine the show's creators not giving us a more complete Grand Tour as well, right? That's probably ongoing.
 
List of Cardinal Electors during a hypothetical 1981 Conclave
*Feel free to use this list for any alternate history involving JPII's assassination on May 13, 1981
  1. Antonio Samorè
  2. Francesco Carpino
  3. Sebastiano Baggio
  4. Stéphanos I Sidarouss
  5. Giuseppe Siri
  6. Paul Émile Léger
  7. José María Bueno y Monreal
  8. Franz König
  9. Laurean Rugambwa
  10. José Humberto Quintero Parra
  11. Juan Landázuri Ricketts
  12. Raúl Silva Henríquez
  13. Leo-Jozef Suenens
  14. Thomas Benjamin Cooray
  15. Maurice Roy
  16. Owen McCann
  17. Léon-Étienne Duval
  18. Ermenegildo Florit
  19. Franjo Šeper
  20. Paul Zoungrana
  21. Agnelo Rossi
  22. Giovanni Colombo
  23. Gabriel-Marie Garrone
  24. Maximilien de Furstenberg
  25. John Joseph Krol
  26. John Patrick Cody
  27. Corrado Ursi
  28. Justinus Darmojuwono
  29. Michele Pellegrino
  30. Alexandre-Charles Renard
  31. Alfredo Vicente Scherer
  32. Julio Rosales y Ras
  33. Gordon Joseph Gray
  34. Paolo Bertoli
  35. Joseph Parecattil
  36. John Francis Dearden
  37. François Marty
  38. George Bernard Flahiff
  39. Paul Gouyon
  40. Mario Casariego y Acevedo
  41. Vicente Enrique y Tarancón
  42. Joseph Malula
  43. Pablo Muñoz Vega
  44. Antonio Poma
  45. John Joseph Carberry
  46. Terence James Cooke
  47. Stephen Kim Sou-hwan
  48. Eugênio de Araújo Sales
  49. Joseph Höffner
  50. Johannes Willebrands
  51. António Ribeiro
  52. James Robert Knox
  53. Avelar Brandão Vilela
  54. Joseph Cordeiro
  55. Aníbal Muñoz Duque
  56. Luis Aponte Martínez
  57. Raúl Francisco Primatesta
  58. Salvatore Pappalardo
  59. Marcelo González Martín
  60. Louis-Jean Guyot
  61. Ugo Poletti
  62. Timothy Manning
  63. Maurice Michael Otunga
  64. José Salazar López
  65. Humberto Sousa Medeiros
  66. Paulo Evaristo Arns
  67. James Darcy Freeman
  68. Narciso Jubany Arnau
  69. Hermann Volk
  70. Pio Taofinuʻu
  71. Octavio Antonio Beras Rojas
  72. Juan Carlos Aramburu
  73. Hyacinthe Thiandoum
  74. Emmanuel Nsubuga
  75. Lawrence Trevor Picachy
  76. Jaime Lachica Sin
  77. William Wakefield Baum
  78. Aloísio Lorscheider
  79. László Lékai
  80. George Basil Hume
  81. Victor Razafimahatratra
  82. Dominic Ignatius Ekandem
  83. Giovanni Benelli
  84. Joseph Ratzinger [Vid of him leaving Munich for Rome in OTL 1982]
  85. Pericle Felici
  86. Silvio Oddi
  87. Giuseppe Paupini
  88. Mario Nasalli Rocca di Corneliano
  89. Sergio Guerri
  90. Umberto Mozzoni
  91. Paul-Pierre Philippe
  92. Pietro Palazzini
  93. Opilio Rossi
  94. Giuseppe Maria Sensi
  95. Corrado Bafile
  96. Joseph Schröffer
  97. Eduardo Francisco Pironio
  98. Bernardin Gantin
  99. Mario Luigi Ciappi
  100. Agostino Casaroli
  101. Giuseppe Caprio
  102. Marco Cé
  103. Egano Righi-Lambertini
  104. Joseph-Marie Trịnh Văn Căn
  105. Ernesto Civardi
  106. Ernesto Corripio y Ahumada
  107. Joseph Asajiro Satowaki
  108. Roger Etchegaray
  109. Anastasio Ballestrero
  110. Tomás Ó Fiaich
  111. Gerald Emmett Carter
  112. Franciszek Macharski
  113. Władysław Rubin

Not in attendance:
  • Carlos Carmelo Vasconcellos Motta [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • Carlo Confalonieri [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • Paolo Marella [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • Josyf Slipyj [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • Lawrence Shehan [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • Patrick O'Boyle [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • Pietro Parente [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • František Tomášek [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • Miguel Darío Miranda y Gómez [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • Ferdinando Giuseppe Antonelli [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • Stefan Wyszyński [Died on May 28th, 1981 due to abdominal cancer. Would probably not participate]
  • Bernardus Johannes Alfrink [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • José Clemente Maurer [Ineligible to vote due to being 80 years of age]
  • Ignatius Kung Pin-mei [Created in pectore, revealed 29 May 1991 in OTL]
 
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List of Cardinal Electors during a hypothetical 1981 Conclave
*Feel free to use this list for any alternate history involving JPII's assassination on May 13, 1981
  1. Antonio Samorè
  2. Francesco Carpino
  3. Sebastiano Baggio
  4. Stéphanos I Sidarouss
  5. Giuseppe Siri
  6. Paul Émile Léger
  7. José María Bueno y Monreal
  8. Franz König
  9. Laurean Rugambwa
  10. José Humberto Quintero Parra
  11. Juan Landázuri Ricketts
  12. Raúl Silva Henríquez
  13. Leo-Jozef Suenens
  14. Thomas Benjamin Cooray
  15. Maurice Roy
  16. Owen McCann
  17. Léon-Étienne Duval
  18. Ermenegildo Florit
  19. Franjo Šeper
  20. Paul Zoungrana
  21. Agnelo Rossi
  22. Giovanni Colombo
  23. Gabriel-Marie Garrone
  24. Egidio Vagnozzi
  25. Maximilien de Furstenberg
  26. John Joseph Krol
  27. John Patrick Cody
  28. Corrado Ursi
  29. Justinus Darmojuwono
  30. Michele Pellegrino
  31. Alexandre-Charles Renard
  32. Alfredo Vicente Scherer
  33. Julio Rosales y Ras
  34. Gordon Joseph Gray
  35. Paolo Bertoli
  36. Joseph Parecattil
  37. John Francis Dearden
  38. François Marty
  39. George Bernard Flahiff
  40. Paul Gouyon
  41. Mario Casariego y Acevedo
  42. Vicente Enrique y Tarancón
  43. Joseph Malula
  44. Pablo Muñoz Vega
  45. Antonio Poma
  46. John Joseph Carberry
  47. Terence James Cooke
  48. Stephen Kim Sou-hwan
  49. Eugênio de Araújo Sales
  50. Joseph Höffner
  51. Johannes Willebrands
  52. António Ribeiro
  53. James Robert Knox
  54. Avelar Brandão Vilela
  55. Joseph Cordeiro
  56. Aníbal Muñoz Duque
  57. Luis Aponte Martínez
  58. Raúl Francisco Primatesta
  59. Salvatore Pappalardo
  60. Marcelo González Martín
  61. Louis-Jean Guyot
  62. Ugo Poletti
  63. Timothy Manning
  64. Maurice Michael Otunga
  65. José Salazar López
  66. Humberto Sousa Medeiros
  67. Paulo Evaristo Arns
  68. James Darcy Freeman
  69. Narciso Jubany Arnau
  70. Hermann Volk
  71. Pio Taofinuʻu
  72. Octavio Antonio Beras Rojas
  73. Juan Carlos Aramburu
  74. Hyacinthe Thiandoum
  75. Emmanuel Nsubuga
  76. Lawrence Trevor Picachy
  77. Jaime Lachica Sin
  78. William Wakefield Baum
  79. Aloísio Lorscheider
  80. László Lékai
  81. George Basil Hume
  82. Victor Razafimahatratra
  83. Dominic Ignatius Ekandem
  84. Giovanni Benelli
  85. Joseph Ratzinger [Vid of him leaving Munich for Rome in OTL 1982]
  86. Pericle Felici
  87. Silvio Oddi
  88. Giuseppe Paupini
  89. Mario Nasalli Rocca di Corneliano
  90. Sergio Guerri
  91. Umberto Mozzoni
  92. Paul-Pierre Philippe
  93. Pietro Palazzini
  94. Opilio Rossi
  95. Giuseppe Maria Sensi
  96. Corrado Bafile
  97. Joseph Schröffer
  98. Eduardo Francisco Pironio
  99. Bernardin Gantin
  100. Mario Luigi Ciappi
  101. Agostino Casaroli
  102. Giuseppe Caprio
  103. Marco Cé
  104. Egano Righi-Lambertini
  105. Joseph-Marie Trịnh Văn Căn
  106. Ernesto Civardi
  107. Ernesto Corripio y Ahumada
  108. Joseph Asajiro Satowaki
  109. Roger Etchegaray
  110. Anastasio Ballestrero
  111. Tomás Ó Fiaich
  112. Gerald Emmett Carter
  113. Franciszek Macharski
  114. Władysław Rubin

Not in attendance:
  • Carlos Carmelo Vasconcellos Motta [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • Carlo Confalonieri [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • Paolo Marella [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • Josyf Slipyj [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • Lawrence Shehan [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • Patrick O'Boyle [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • Pietro Parente [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • František Tomášek [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • Miguel Darío Miranda y Gómez [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • Ferdinando Giuseppe Antonelli [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • Stefan Wyszyński [Died on May 28th, 1981 due to abdominal cancer. Would probably not participate]
  • Bernardus Johannes Alfrink [Ineligible to vote due to being over 80 years of age]
  • José Clemente Maurer [Ineligible to vote due to being 80 years of age]
  • Ignatius Kung Pin-mei [Created in pectore, revealed 29 May 1991 in OTL]
I assume Siri (5) and Benelli (84) will clash again. Maybe this time, Lorscheider (79) may be the non-italian compromise candidate.
 
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