As I've said before, after North Korea anything is possible but come on fellas. It is far too soon for anything in space to have anything resembling independence.
For All Mankind (AH Tv series at Apple TV)
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For achieve indipendence, true. Maybe, by the season finale we could have a small group of the 'heroes' starting an underground movement with the plan to turn Mars into its own independent sovereign in the future?
That would be more realistic but still cool.
I definitely agree, and I think that anyone defying the entities they're working for on Earth would be assuming (or hoping) that it won't take much to get them to negotiate (perhaps they think it's too far away, too costly, or too politically dicey to crack down on them hard). But if they are indeed determined to bring them in line, then there's no real way for Happy Valley to win.
In fact, that'd also be similar to how it went in Red Mars, where poor treatment of the Martian workers and the increasing influence and heavy-handedness of the Earth-based megacorps leads to a revolt, which the Martians (mostly) lose after Earth hits back a lot harder than they expected.
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I think it's more likely that the direction it is going is that workers will be pushing for my rights and better dignity in the workplace from Helios. It won't be a matter of an independent Mars, but just one where people are treated better.
I have a hunch that some sort of work stoppage/strike by the Helios staff will lead to it looking like Helios is about to get broken up and sold off to other corporations until the project to look for life pays off in a big way to make it no longer politically viable to do so.
I have a hunch that some sort of work stoppage/strike by the Helios staff will lead to it looking like Helios is about to get broken up and sold off to other corporations until the project to look for life pays off in a big way to make it no longer politically viable to do so.
Well keep in mind that we are talking about the equivalent of McMurdo Station and the other Antarctic stations declaring their independence. Even if they had a readily accessible source of mineral wealth their "independence" would not end well.
However the situation in "For all Mankind" may result in a good example of how the Founder's Effect can have a positive impact on the future. By having the problem occur now with a small number of folks that is resolved favorably saves a lot of heartache later on when things are more entrenched. Just the resolution of the US Soviet Conflict in Season 2 helped to setup US-Soviet cooperation in Season 3 when the Soviets ran into trouble. So this conflict may setup events in later seasons when it comes to how people are treated in space.
That reminds me, I wonder if 'Alex' has any issue adapting to Earth gravity. He was conceived and gestated on Mars gravity, so if he's healthy that should at least be proof that there are no side effects of pregnancies on a planet with one third of Earth's gravity, at least s long s they can grow on Earth-like environment.
Also, why I have the impression the search for life of Kelley is heavily connected with the failure to find liquid water in S3? The one where...
It did kinda bother me last season that they treated it as absolutely imperative that she give birth in 1G aboard Phoenix, to the point of risking a super dodgy launch and stranding everyone else on Mars for two years, when she'd already spent the entire pregnancy in Mars gravity. If the baby's going to be affected by low gravity, it probably would've already happened.
When Ed was on the asteroid capture mission and got a video message from Kelly, I half-expected they would reveal Alex couldn't survive on Earth by panning to her house's window and revealing that they were on Mars.
Speaking of stranded on Mars, I'm still waiting for them to reveal what happened to Danny during that time that they seem to feel so guilty about.
I guess that means either that their fears a lot overplayed and that babies on Mars are safer (to the joy of those who want future larger colonization efforts and terraforming of Mars) or that they're keeping it as a drama card to play later (and now that would be a Damocles over us).
I guess either he was moved to an Earth prison after connection was done, or he is still on Mars. In either way.
Apparently Lee’s gun was buried near his space ship and was left with a marker above it…
I suspect he is dead. And due to the politics of the whole entire "these are the survivors of Mars" situation they had to count Danny under the "honorable" dead and not reveal his role in things, lest they undermine the entire Mars mission's future. I suspect his death and the fallout from it is going to be a lynchpin of conflict between Ed and Danielle at some point this season, because they are going to wind up butting heads and either Ed will die in space, or Danielle will finally manage to break through to him enough for him to spend his last years on Earth with what is left of his family.[/ISPOILER}
The Soviet Union in this timeline is very confusion. The leader of the country is called a president, there is a police instead of "militsya", not to mention the Roscosmos and some clearly Russian nationalist aesthetics to the whole ordeal.
I get that the space drama is the main plot of the series, but they could've fleshed out the althistory of it all, sometimes it's a skin deep re-imagining, totally ignoring the butterflies. Oh well.
I get that the space drama is the main plot of the series, but they could've fleshed out the althistory of it all, sometimes it's a skin deep re-imagining, totally ignoring the butterflies. Oh well.
They could have contacted AH, we could have worldbuilt the whole AU timeline for free.
The President title was actually in the constitution Gorbachev implemented, in fact he served as the first and only President of the USSR. A transition to a more civilian police could be part of further reforms.
For Roskosmos I have no concrete answer.
What if those are 'concessions' showcasing a resurgence of Russian identity within the Soviet Union?
It will always be funny seeing people on here overreact to Mexico electing Verdugo, considering that 1) Verdugo wasn't even that communist by the 80s, 2) in the show the Soviet Union itself isn't really even what we would consider communist by then, having adopted a hybrid market socialist economy, and 3) people just seem to have completely forgotten how season 3 ended with nearly going to nuclear annihilation over Panama and that that might have changed policymaker's minds on when and how American intervention is justified especially in the near term considering Verdugo is elected just 5 years after the finale.
Possibly although I don't see how it would put the other nationalities at ease. Personally I think it's just a production oversight and they just rolled with it. I don't think the naming is ever addressed.
Maybe those other nationalities are either not big/important enough for the Soviet government to care, or they DID receive some concessions, but they are not shown.
I don't think the Ukrainians or the Balts can be characterized as small or inconsequential although I can see them not caring as much to go on their own now that the economy is good. That usually smooths things over.
I have been very vocal against Martian Independence happening in this season but then we see that Miles' group has a French woman amongst its ranks. Their chances of success have just jumped by 60% 