For a Gore Prosperous Tomorrow
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Looking back... Hmmm, not sure. I didn't have many self-indulgences outside of Fred Rogers and Jack Layton living a bit longer (though given how it was based on cancer, that means it's pretty probability based and thus even if I kept everything the same. wouldn't necessarily happen as such.)
It's a bit tricky. I would probably want to try and be a bit more accurate with politics, but I think I did all right. It'd be one of those things I'd need someone's help with as well as that in pop culture.
2020 Epilogue- 2020s Predictions
Epilogue: Beyond 2020
Well, wer're pretty much quite at the end. Just one more official post after this. For now, just some of the predictions for what would be happening after 2020 in this timeline!
Judicial Reform
With President Sanders pretty much winning reelection, one of the objectives I think we would see would be judicial reform. At the very least, this would start with term limits on US federal judges (including Supreme Court judges along with the others like district judges and likely others), maybe anywhere from 10-15 years of service. That would be something to be discussed. I would see them all be pretty likely and I reckon if it is passed, I could see alot of the old judges be convinced to resign, giving more roles for President Sanders or President Nina to add and thus ensuring a good dominance of progressive policies though at the same time balance by other judicial reforms, such as larger standards and appeals for them.
One major one would likely be the need to reform the United States courts of appeals. I'm guessing it would definitely be expanded with the addition of the new states plus doing so to create a better sense of balance and redistribution. Not sure on what the details would be, but the 9th one would probably be split into two of them along with some general moving around for population distribution and balancing to say the least. Not sure how many we have, but in total, maybe we'd have 15 courts at least? This is not my area of expertise. I am thinking one final thing could be recall elections for politicians and judges, though not sure how far there.
Political Reforms
Another major thing would be voting reforms. Mainly I would see this in the form of introducing more direct democracy such as referendums on the state level along with some reforms to avoid corporate manipulation of such. I could also see perhaps the introduction of ranked-choice voting done through the states at the same time, though likely not starting out with the presidency, maybe going more with the congressional stuff and probably the state primary stuff. Presidency would be something that may need an amendment unless most of the states adopt it. Election Day would already be a national holiday. Additionally, the "Wynoming Rule" would've already been implemented around the time DC and Puerto Rico would be admitted into the Union. Getting rid of the electoral college may be plausible if they get the support for it. Not sure which way would be decided, but it would require a minimum of 39 of the 52 states to add an amendment into the US constitution, though at the trend here, I could definitely see that happening in the near future, especially if the people will it.
Speaking of legislation, term limits on them too. I am unsure for how long since that would depend on what they'd agree. Given how a Senator term is six years, I am thinking probably only two terms they could serve and maybe House Reps could serve only like four or five terms. So a max of 12 years a Senator and 10 years a Rep along with anything else. Other things could be stuff that would prevent thinks like filibustering from being exploited and thus to keep House bids from being locked down in the Senate and vice versa. Lastly, while likely already being put into place, legislation to make it easier to run or rather so people with large sums of money cannot just buy alot of airtime and so on to dominate over the other person, thus creating a level playing field and ensuring enforcement on such.
Sanders' Second Presidency and After
The Sanders presidency I would see ending anywhere from 2021-2024, depending on how long he keeps going on. If he dies in office, Vice President Nina Turner would take office and finish his run along with run again in 2024. If Sanders hangs on to his full presidency, the I could see Turner running and winning 2024 and 2028. It would be a massive boon and development for progressive policies in the same neoconservatism rose in the Reagan and Bush Sr eras. Various young politicaians would come to try and fill in the void left in. Turner presidencies would be pretty profound and undoubtedly bring up discussions regarding women of color and how they can be left behind by white women or men of color. I do not know how Nina would pick for her running mate though admittingly Andrew Yang was the first that came to mind though probably ya'll can come up with some other potentials. Regardless, the Sanders Administration would leave behind an extensive and profound legacy on the United States, definitely bringing back a notable leftward movement of the "overton" window.
Crime and Reform
The issues on racial-police violence and racial bias within the system would definitely be on forefront of the second Sanders Administration though COVID would provide a good cover to try and address that further (especially if a second strain develops here like OTL's Danish Minks). While police reforms may work on some departments, there are others that may be deemed to problematic and thus have to be rebuilt from the ground-up, most likely the LAPD and NYPD as the big names there. There would definitely be some large political strife there though with the various reforms and programs that'd be put into place reducing violence, along with the diminished power of reactionaries, the "Thin Blue Line" folk would gain less traction and prominence. Alternates to police may be developed here along with a need for acountabilty. Prisons would be changed more for the purpose of rehabilitation and maybe even private prisons rendered illegal or at least nationalized in order to have increased standards. This along with Sanders' talking points would lead to how crime is viewed it as and so on. I suspect things white collar crime and other criems committed by those on top would get more scrutiny. Violent crime would still get called out harshly on and treated, and I suspect greater actions for perpetrators of them.
The End of the Democrat and Republican Parties
This article I read argued on in OTL, the Republican and Democrat parties as we knew it were heading for collapse. As they put it, "Broadly speaking, U.S. politics has had six party systems—that is, distinct eras in which party competition was somewhat stable, both in the relative balance of power between the parties and in the types of issues that the parties fought over, such as the role of government in the economy". And each distinct era lasted longer each time, with now approaching the time for the change to happen. This would still happen ITTL because of factors put into place since before Gore became President. As we have it here, the GOP is a loosely-held coalition while the Democrats have a large growing split between the old moderates and the growing progressives, especially in the second Sanders administration. As such, I see the rise of major electoral reforms, such as movements to abolish the electoral college, the inclusion of more states, the growing adoption of ranked choice voting o the state level, rising movements for it on the national level and the overall weaknesses of both parties due to archaic leadership leading to the rise of the seventh system, likely defined by a decline of bipartisanship and the end of neoconservatism and neoliberalism as major movements.
The growing tensions and leadership issues could cause President Nina to switch over to a new Progressive or Peoples' Party, especially if planned with other reformist House Reps and Senators; they would likely benefit from the reputation of championing what the people wanted, Sanders' independent streak and the established grassroots buildup for the rise of this new party. And since they would technically be "incumbents" in the general, they have that advantage as well. Meanwhile, this exodus from the Democrats and their subsequent weakening would likely lead to a domino effect of collapse for the Republicans since they think they could do the same, especially with the remnants of neocons being the leaders. I could see the so-called" DINOs" and "RINOs" coalsce into a new party, either similar to the Reform Party or a successor to it which would include absorbing the preexisting Reform Party. Stragglers would likely try and join smaller parties. Libretarians may see an upswing. Green party I could see becoming a bit more prominent. Even the Constitution party may see some growth (if mainly because it's where certain groups would end up in.)
Foreign Affairs
Definitely hard to predict. I do imagine the Americans' massive growth of progressive reforms would influence Europe to do the same, both at home and regarding the European Union, which I would see the beginnings of major structural reforms to make it more fair and address the divide between Western and Eastern Europe, especially to seperate the latter away from Russia's sphere of influence. With the rise of leftism over in the US and spreading, similar matters would happen in Europe though perhaps more over in Eastern Europe as the Cold War memories die out moreso. As for the rest of the Americas, it will be tricky to say though the lack of imperialist motiviations for the US would be a breath of fresh air for them. They still have their own problems to deal with, especially because of the Catholic-centered culture. At the same time, the US decrminalizing drugs would help end the War on Drugs and threaten the cartels across, which could then be finished off of with cooperation between them all. I do see indigenous rights becoming more prominent along with sustainability issues.
The Middle East would be enjoying a much-needed time of peace and with the development comes internal reflection. Quranism may grow in the Middle East and beyond as a result of this, especially as the young rise into prominence and realize they have to move forward from the conflicts of the past. Secularization would be slow, but steady though as I see it. The Caucasus and so on would be potential problems for Russia to exploit, but the larger neighbors could help in coming to an agreement. A time of great change provokes other great changes and with no foreign enemies or superpowers, that just means looking inward regarding cultural issues, especially with the influence of friendlier governments. Russia would likely remain antagonistic for the forseeable future, but I suspect plenty of nations would start preparing for a post-Putin future as when he dies or is no longer in power, it's gonna hit the fan for Russia. Hard to say with Turkey though Erdogan and his party could see major decline as they have less to cling onto. India would also likely see a decline in nationalist sentiment and likely become a target for accelerating green reforms as well as concerns over population. China would still be China. I don't see them acting much like OTL regarding antagonism, but they'd still very much beat to the rhythm of their own drum. Africa I see would be another focus given the necessity to address multinational corporations as part of the Green New Deal and similar actions.
Green New Deals and COVID
I would see secondary aspects of a Green New Deal adding during the second Sanders Administration and even into the Turner Administration. I imagine this would include larger societal changes such as the reduction of plastic consumables, development of certain ecoplastics for the purposes of longetivity and an aggressive growth in recylcling through various means. This along with the new job growths and wage growth would help the economy if also cause growing changes into people's living conditions. However, this would also tie into COVID as various other nations would implement their own practices. Even the idea of governments giving money to the people to keep the economy going would be considered more if the US is doing. One major rammification would be in Japan. The "salaryman" aspects, the "Lost Generation" and so on would be affected heavily and could see an actual rise in babies being born since the government may incentivize Japanese adults to be parents, especially if they may take cues of outside the island. While may be initially taken pragmatically at first with the assumption of a return to normal months later, it would lead to some profound changes and confronting issues. I could see Africa also becoming a large center for this over time, at least those that do not have to be concened as much with troublesome political institutions.
Pop Culture
The successes of the Sanders' administration along with the likely Turner Administrations, the shifting of political parties and even the various reforms of the past severla years would lead to alot of introspection in pop culture and the search for exploring the world. Fantasy and science fiction would maintain being mainstays and the latter may benefit as the optimism of the era would inspire new writers to portray more grounded yet semi-utopic futures and their stories. In fact, with an upgraded educated system and healthcare systems, we'd have massively different stories though some would remain the same, the personal dramas of everyday life that come with interacting with people. Hollywood may have to adapt more to it and have the most trouble, with independent works and collaborations rising more into prevalance. Books and graphic novels would see a rise during the pandemic in terms of being read.
Animation as well, especially since the money from the government would entail more people to spend, including investing in projects they care about and can afford to back up and animation being easier to do at home with everyone rather than live action work. Video games would be similar here, especially after reforms. Online distribution concerns may rise, especially with the need for managing data. PS5 and new Xbox would still come out. Nintendo's Smash Ultimate would likely have a second wave of DLC characters (probably including Crash Bandicoot and Steve at the least. Probably the Ring Fit Trainee too. If I needed to guess the other characters... probably Dante, Doomslayer and Arle Nadja.) Fashion would undergo changes due to the Green New Deal and changing cultures, which would affect ads too (I suspect less of them). It'd be a very optimistic viewpoint though also one that would force introspection on people. Basically, getting people to hope again and thus commence more works to be made in a boundless opportunity. As this goes on, this would lead to the rise of higher standards, new rules and changing perspectives in creative outlets. In a sense, finally starting something like remodernism or perhaps neomodernism in design, artwork, creativity and so on.
Well, wer're pretty much quite at the end. Just one more official post after this. For now, just some of the predictions for what would be happening after 2020 in this timeline!
Judicial Reform
With President Sanders pretty much winning reelection, one of the objectives I think we would see would be judicial reform. At the very least, this would start with term limits on US federal judges (including Supreme Court judges along with the others like district judges and likely others), maybe anywhere from 10-15 years of service. That would be something to be discussed. I would see them all be pretty likely and I reckon if it is passed, I could see alot of the old judges be convinced to resign, giving more roles for President Sanders or President Nina to add and thus ensuring a good dominance of progressive policies though at the same time balance by other judicial reforms, such as larger standards and appeals for them.
One major one would likely be the need to reform the United States courts of appeals. I'm guessing it would definitely be expanded with the addition of the new states plus doing so to create a better sense of balance and redistribution. Not sure on what the details would be, but the 9th one would probably be split into two of them along with some general moving around for population distribution and balancing to say the least. Not sure how many we have, but in total, maybe we'd have 15 courts at least? This is not my area of expertise. I am thinking one final thing could be recall elections for politicians and judges, though not sure how far there.
Political Reforms
Another major thing would be voting reforms. Mainly I would see this in the form of introducing more direct democracy such as referendums on the state level along with some reforms to avoid corporate manipulation of such. I could also see perhaps the introduction of ranked-choice voting done through the states at the same time, though likely not starting out with the presidency, maybe going more with the congressional stuff and probably the state primary stuff. Presidency would be something that may need an amendment unless most of the states adopt it. Election Day would already be a national holiday. Additionally, the "Wynoming Rule" would've already been implemented around the time DC and Puerto Rico would be admitted into the Union. Getting rid of the electoral college may be plausible if they get the support for it. Not sure which way would be decided, but it would require a minimum of 39 of the 52 states to add an amendment into the US constitution, though at the trend here, I could definitely see that happening in the near future, especially if the people will it.
Speaking of legislation, term limits on them too. I am unsure for how long since that would depend on what they'd agree. Given how a Senator term is six years, I am thinking probably only two terms they could serve and maybe House Reps could serve only like four or five terms. So a max of 12 years a Senator and 10 years a Rep along with anything else. Other things could be stuff that would prevent thinks like filibustering from being exploited and thus to keep House bids from being locked down in the Senate and vice versa. Lastly, while likely already being put into place, legislation to make it easier to run or rather so people with large sums of money cannot just buy alot of airtime and so on to dominate over the other person, thus creating a level playing field and ensuring enforcement on such.
Sanders' Second Presidency and After
The Sanders presidency I would see ending anywhere from 2021-2024, depending on how long he keeps going on. If he dies in office, Vice President Nina Turner would take office and finish his run along with run again in 2024. If Sanders hangs on to his full presidency, the I could see Turner running and winning 2024 and 2028. It would be a massive boon and development for progressive policies in the same neoconservatism rose in the Reagan and Bush Sr eras. Various young politicaians would come to try and fill in the void left in. Turner presidencies would be pretty profound and undoubtedly bring up discussions regarding women of color and how they can be left behind by white women or men of color. I do not know how Nina would pick for her running mate though admittingly Andrew Yang was the first that came to mind though probably ya'll can come up with some other potentials. Regardless, the Sanders Administration would leave behind an extensive and profound legacy on the United States, definitely bringing back a notable leftward movement of the "overton" window.
Crime and Reform
The issues on racial-police violence and racial bias within the system would definitely be on forefront of the second Sanders Administration though COVID would provide a good cover to try and address that further (especially if a second strain develops here like OTL's Danish Minks). While police reforms may work on some departments, there are others that may be deemed to problematic and thus have to be rebuilt from the ground-up, most likely the LAPD and NYPD as the big names there. There would definitely be some large political strife there though with the various reforms and programs that'd be put into place reducing violence, along with the diminished power of reactionaries, the "Thin Blue Line" folk would gain less traction and prominence. Alternates to police may be developed here along with a need for acountabilty. Prisons would be changed more for the purpose of rehabilitation and maybe even private prisons rendered illegal or at least nationalized in order to have increased standards. This along with Sanders' talking points would lead to how crime is viewed it as and so on. I suspect things white collar crime and other criems committed by those on top would get more scrutiny. Violent crime would still get called out harshly on and treated, and I suspect greater actions for perpetrators of them.
The End of the Democrat and Republican Parties
This article I read argued on in OTL, the Republican and Democrat parties as we knew it were heading for collapse. As they put it, "Broadly speaking, U.S. politics has had six party systems—that is, distinct eras in which party competition was somewhat stable, both in the relative balance of power between the parties and in the types of issues that the parties fought over, such as the role of government in the economy". And each distinct era lasted longer each time, with now approaching the time for the change to happen. This would still happen ITTL because of factors put into place since before Gore became President. As we have it here, the GOP is a loosely-held coalition while the Democrats have a large growing split between the old moderates and the growing progressives, especially in the second Sanders administration. As such, I see the rise of major electoral reforms, such as movements to abolish the electoral college, the inclusion of more states, the growing adoption of ranked choice voting o the state level, rising movements for it on the national level and the overall weaknesses of both parties due to archaic leadership leading to the rise of the seventh system, likely defined by a decline of bipartisanship and the end of neoconservatism and neoliberalism as major movements.
The growing tensions and leadership issues could cause President Nina to switch over to a new Progressive or Peoples' Party, especially if planned with other reformist House Reps and Senators; they would likely benefit from the reputation of championing what the people wanted, Sanders' independent streak and the established grassroots buildup for the rise of this new party. And since they would technically be "incumbents" in the general, they have that advantage as well. Meanwhile, this exodus from the Democrats and their subsequent weakening would likely lead to a domino effect of collapse for the Republicans since they think they could do the same, especially with the remnants of neocons being the leaders. I could see the so-called" DINOs" and "RINOs" coalsce into a new party, either similar to the Reform Party or a successor to it which would include absorbing the preexisting Reform Party. Stragglers would likely try and join smaller parties. Libretarians may see an upswing. Green party I could see becoming a bit more prominent. Even the Constitution party may see some growth (if mainly because it's where certain groups would end up in.)
Foreign Affairs
Definitely hard to predict. I do imagine the Americans' massive growth of progressive reforms would influence Europe to do the same, both at home and regarding the European Union, which I would see the beginnings of major structural reforms to make it more fair and address the divide between Western and Eastern Europe, especially to seperate the latter away from Russia's sphere of influence. With the rise of leftism over in the US and spreading, similar matters would happen in Europe though perhaps more over in Eastern Europe as the Cold War memories die out moreso. As for the rest of the Americas, it will be tricky to say though the lack of imperialist motiviations for the US would be a breath of fresh air for them. They still have their own problems to deal with, especially because of the Catholic-centered culture. At the same time, the US decrminalizing drugs would help end the War on Drugs and threaten the cartels across, which could then be finished off of with cooperation between them all. I do see indigenous rights becoming more prominent along with sustainability issues.
The Middle East would be enjoying a much-needed time of peace and with the development comes internal reflection. Quranism may grow in the Middle East and beyond as a result of this, especially as the young rise into prominence and realize they have to move forward from the conflicts of the past. Secularization would be slow, but steady though as I see it. The Caucasus and so on would be potential problems for Russia to exploit, but the larger neighbors could help in coming to an agreement. A time of great change provokes other great changes and with no foreign enemies or superpowers, that just means looking inward regarding cultural issues, especially with the influence of friendlier governments. Russia would likely remain antagonistic for the forseeable future, but I suspect plenty of nations would start preparing for a post-Putin future as when he dies or is no longer in power, it's gonna hit the fan for Russia. Hard to say with Turkey though Erdogan and his party could see major decline as they have less to cling onto. India would also likely see a decline in nationalist sentiment and likely become a target for accelerating green reforms as well as concerns over population. China would still be China. I don't see them acting much like OTL regarding antagonism, but they'd still very much beat to the rhythm of their own drum. Africa I see would be another focus given the necessity to address multinational corporations as part of the Green New Deal and similar actions.
Green New Deals and COVID
I would see secondary aspects of a Green New Deal adding during the second Sanders Administration and even into the Turner Administration. I imagine this would include larger societal changes such as the reduction of plastic consumables, development of certain ecoplastics for the purposes of longetivity and an aggressive growth in recylcling through various means. This along with the new job growths and wage growth would help the economy if also cause growing changes into people's living conditions. However, this would also tie into COVID as various other nations would implement their own practices. Even the idea of governments giving money to the people to keep the economy going would be considered more if the US is doing. One major rammification would be in Japan. The "salaryman" aspects, the "Lost Generation" and so on would be affected heavily and could see an actual rise in babies being born since the government may incentivize Japanese adults to be parents, especially if they may take cues of outside the island. While may be initially taken pragmatically at first with the assumption of a return to normal months later, it would lead to some profound changes and confronting issues. I could see Africa also becoming a large center for this over time, at least those that do not have to be concened as much with troublesome political institutions.
Pop Culture
The successes of the Sanders' administration along with the likely Turner Administrations, the shifting of political parties and even the various reforms of the past severla years would lead to alot of introspection in pop culture and the search for exploring the world. Fantasy and science fiction would maintain being mainstays and the latter may benefit as the optimism of the era would inspire new writers to portray more grounded yet semi-utopic futures and their stories. In fact, with an upgraded educated system and healthcare systems, we'd have massively different stories though some would remain the same, the personal dramas of everyday life that come with interacting with people. Hollywood may have to adapt more to it and have the most trouble, with independent works and collaborations rising more into prevalance. Books and graphic novels would see a rise during the pandemic in terms of being read.
Animation as well, especially since the money from the government would entail more people to spend, including investing in projects they care about and can afford to back up and animation being easier to do at home with everyone rather than live action work. Video games would be similar here, especially after reforms. Online distribution concerns may rise, especially with the need for managing data. PS5 and new Xbox would still come out. Nintendo's Smash Ultimate would likely have a second wave of DLC characters (probably including Crash Bandicoot and Steve at the least. Probably the Ring Fit Trainee too. If I needed to guess the other characters... probably Dante, Doomslayer and Arle Nadja.) Fashion would undergo changes due to the Green New Deal and changing cultures, which would affect ads too (I suspect less of them). It'd be a very optimistic viewpoint though also one that would force introspection on people. Basically, getting people to hope again and thus commence more works to be made in a boundless opportunity. As this goes on, this would lead to the rise of higher standards, new rules and changing perspectives in creative outlets. In a sense, finally starting something like remodernism or perhaps neomodernism in design, artwork, creativity and so on.
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Good suggestions. I really can't believe it's come to the end. This has been amazing from the start
Hmmm... yes, but they'd be different. Superbad would likely have the humor and some of the characters be toned down (such as Seth) regarding negative behavior, but still be good.
Little Miss Sunshine would be something the same I reckon.
I do not know. This took a heck out of me and I would need the help of someone more well-versed in politics. I'm pretty happy with this however!
Thank you so much! I am giving time for everyon to ask questions, give suggestions on other likely scenarios and so on
I took a gander at that and oof that sounds nuts. My guess is that a lawsuit would be permissable around 2016-2020 regarding the want for refunds and the differing culture would see it be harsher on it. As such, if a lawsuit did develop (which I could see happening during these differing times), alot of people would be wanting to refunds into it and it would likely spell the end of Star Citizen, especially if investigations would be done and anything shady was to be uncovered.
Of course, as we get more info, this answer would likely change. Maybe it will come out and actually be massively successful with the wait worth it and thus something similar happen here. All depends.
Will be happy to answer more questions!
Like in terms of what states Sanders won or the numbers? Not sure though he definitely quite a fair bit.
Likely about the same as OTL regarding his films and so on. Though Hunter S Thompson would probably live a couple years longer, so there's that.
I guess both, it could be a map showing the final states won. If we're talking numbers I mean like for example 356-182.
Numbers I am not sure, because I would not know how to calculate this given the differing numbers and the inclusion of two new states as well. As such, I would only be able to give something of an approximation.
I am thinking Obama's numbers in the OTL 2008 is a good low-ball guess.
As for the actual states, take Obama's OTL 2008 states he won and add Texas, Puerto Rico, West Virginia, Idaho and Georgia to that at the very least. Possibly Louisiana too, but that's unsure there.
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