Florida in a world without the Adams–Onís Treaty

Let's assume America never signs the Adams-Onís Treaty. Perhaps they didn't want to pay the money, or they didn't want to lose so much of the mid-west to New Spain, or some other cause. The reason is irrelevant.

What happens to Florida in this timeline? Would it join the rest of Mexico in the rebellion? Would it remain under Spanish control for another few decades like Cuba? I can think of quite a few possibilities, but as my knowledge of Spain and her colonies is old, I wouldn't mind some advice on the concept
 
The US is going to get it, one way or another, most likely. Andrew Jackson invaded the territory during the Seminole Wars, and Spain was in no position to defend East Florida. That's why they decided to sell it instead. Spain either lets the US have it for free if Adam-Onís fails, or sells it instead to the UK. At least, that's how I see it.
 
The US is going to get it, one way or another, most likely. Andrew Jackson invaded the territory during the Seminole Wars, and Spain was in no position to defend East Florida. That's why they decided to sell it instead. Spain either lets the US have it for free if Adam-Onís fails, or sells it instead to the UK. At least, that's how I see it.

Spain either lets the US have it for free if Adam-Onís fails, or sells it instead to the UK. At least, that's how I see it.

A British Florida might be an interesting concept to explore, perhaps other British Caribbean islands are joined into it as a Dominion
 
A British Florida might be an interesting concept to explore, perhaps other British Caribbean islands are joined into it as a Dominion

A British Florida is the central conceit of the Palmera timeline that's floating around, though it's colored heavily by themes of slave resettlement. I've personally kicked around an independent Florida as a homeland for resettled slaves as knock-on effect of an independent Confederacy, as a way of solving the problem posed by contrabands in a world without OTL's Thirteenth Amendment.
 

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Spain either lets the US have it for free if Adam-Onís fails, or sells it instead to the UK. At least, that's how I see it.

A British Florida might be an interesting concept to explore, perhaps other British Caribbean islands are joined into it as a Dominion


But would Britain still be interested in buying Florida as late as the 1820s. Wouldn't London just see it as antagonizing the U.S. for no profit.

Is the PoD for the Palmera timeline 18th century (which I can buy) or 19th century (I'm more skeptical)
 
But would Britain still be interested in buying Florida as late as the 1820s. Wouldn't London just see it as antagonizing the U.S. for no profit.

Is the PoD for the Palmera timeline 18th century (which I can buy) or 19th century (I'm more skeptical)

It's an outcome of an alternative peace ending the Seven Years War, so Eighteenth Century, IIRC.
 
The "Dead Skunk" timeline also has a British Florida that surrounds importing a lot of Indians, Malays, Chinese and former slaves (super interesting culture there), but Britain acquired it during an alternate outcome to the War of 1812, and possibly then buying it ?¿ I don't remember.

But if the British took it then I don't see why they wouldn't be interested come the time of Adam-Onis.
 
I actually think the aspects further west would have more of a bang. Mexico went independent less than a year after the treaty went into force. Sure, they agreed to the borders agreed to with the Americans in the Spanish treaty, but in here things have start from the begining. I doubt Florida would go with Mexico, as they would have just as much a claim to Cuba likely, but this all would have the effects of pinching Louisianna. The Americans are going to want to get most of the IOTL state to make it defensible and usable as it's own state, rather than as the paper tip of a Hersey's Kiss.
 
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