Fleur of the Valois - The Survival of the Valois Dynasty to the Present

Fleur of the Valois - The Survival of the Valois Dynasty to the Present

The Valois Family were extinct after Catherine of Medici died but what if there were many heirs to the Valois family and they were able to survive in the present.
 
I am planning for Joanna La Betraneja of Castille marrying the Dauphin not Anne of Brittany, the Valois-Anjou also survives.

The Valois-Anjou branch was already extinct in the time of Charles VIII. You need an earlier POD. And honestly, him marrying "La Betraneja" is pretty ridiculous. She was eight years older than him and had already retired to a convent in 1479. She refused to marry Ferdinand the Catholic after Isabella died, so what makes you think she'd marry the Dauphin? Her cause was sealed and everyone knew it.
 
Easy. Have a POD that ensures Henry II's branch doesn't take the throne.

You can do it with Henry II's line. François II isn't likely to survive, but Charles IX and Henri III were both healthy, just unlucky in their marriage choices. Even the Duke of Alençon could've had healthy issue. There was really nothing wrong with Henri II's children with Catherine de Médicis, just a lot of bad luck.
 
You can do it with Henry II's line. François II isn't likely to survive, but Charles IX and Henri III were both healthy, just unlucky in their marriage choices. Even the Duke of Alençon could've had healthy issue. There was really nothing wrong with Henri II's children with Catherine de Médicis, just a lot of bad luck.

Agreed. I don't doubt the children of Henry II could have some genetic influence in their luck, but it doesn't necessarily mean they are doomed. Two of his daughters (Elisabeth and Claude) had no problems at having children. Also, Charles IX did have a child: Marie Elisabeth of Valois. Maybe if she had been a male and had survived childhood the Valois could have continued for a long time.
 
Agreed. I don't doubt the children of Henry II could have some genetic influence in their luck, but it doesn't necessarily mean they are doomed. Two of his daughters (Elisabeth and Claude) had no problems at having children. Also, Charles IX did have a child: Marie Elisabeth of Valois. Maybe if she had been a male and had survived childhood the Valois could have continued for a long time.

Yes, or they could've had more children. He had an illegitimate son with his mistress, too. There's the possibility that he and Elizabeth just weren't a good "match." Henri III didn't have any children, but his wife Louise of Vaudémont suffered a miscarriage IIRC. So it's likely she was rendered infertile by it, which happened sometimes. Obviously Catherine and Henri II had some problems early in the marriage and François II had terrible health, but I don't think it precludes their demise. Apparently all of her sons were fairly sickly, but that doesn't preclude them having children. Child mortality is quite high in the era, but I don't see why the Valois dynasty can't continue. But you don't need to eliminate Henri II's line to do it.
 
Was Charles IX a sickly man too? From what I've read in Dumas' La Reine Margot he was, but of course this book isn't a safe historical account. Look at Queen Catherine for example :p
 
Was Charles IX a sickly man too? From what I've read in Dumas' La Reine Margot he was, but of course this book isn't a safe historical account. Look at Queen Catherine for example :p

Yes, a little bit. None of her sons had the greatest health. Charles IX died of tuberculosis, but his situation became worse after the St. Barthomlew's Day massacre. He was extremely guilt ridden over it and it had a terrible impact on his physical and mental health. The Duke of Alençon died of malaria, and Henri III was assassinated. None of them were super robust, honestly. But none of them were as bad as François II, who had awful health and I'm really surprised lived as long as he did. That's why I'm usually skeptical of scenarios that posit François II living longer and even having children with Mary Stuart--because his health was terrible, and even when he died, he hadn't hit puberty. His marriage with the Scottish Queen hadn't even been consummated, because she remarked she was still "somewhat" of a virgin. Out of all his children, François II is probably the only one who wouldn't be able to live out a somewhat full life.
 
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