Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by Red Arturoist, Apr 1, 2014.
So over on the map thread, there was someone who made a United Guiana map. I jokingly replied back for them to make a United Guinea map, and they did. That, in turn, inspired me to make this flag of a United Guinea. It was going to be a united Guinea-Guiana flag, but, small steps now, shall we?
The Five Colors represent the 5 coasts of Guinea, and is shaped after them.
Blue for Gambia
Red for the Pepper Coast
Gold for the Gold Coast
Black for the Slave Free Coast
Green for Benin.
Sorry, couldn't (and didn't really want to) fit in Ivory coast in this.
As well as this, the colors each also have an additional meaning.
Blue for the Gulf of Guinea and the Guinea Coast and the many rivers that run into it
Red for the blood shed over the year (much of it flowing into that dreaded Gulf)
Gold for hope in the future and the prosperity to come with it.
Black for the people
Green for the fertility of the land
Here is my take on a similar theme, with two variations on the canton.
".....and the kitchen sink" comes to mind. Granted OTL pre-1965 was prety busy but that might be pushing it a bit.
One way to reduce this feeling of "too much all over" is to combine the elements. for example, putting the sword behind the shield.
crossed swords seems fine for military flags but as national flag, they feel a bit too martial. I think just the triple maple leaves with crown could work better.
also, the white border around the shield seems uneven. I think it might work better if the number of pixel was more or less equal all around the white part.
My computer graphics skills are pretty lacking. I think I'll just go back to drawing flags instead.
Some potential redesigned flags for Hail, Britannia:
State of Zambia
United Provinces of the Cape
its not so much the look or the use of all those elements, its simply that when you "read" the flag, your eyes are drawn all over rather than concentrating on only 1-2 spots or even better, taking in the entire design in one go. A Coat of arms doesn't always make the whole flag look busy if the COA is the only complex thing on the flag. So if you were to combine all the elements or present them in a stylised or abstract manner, you would reduce the complexity of the flag as a whole.
Bottom line, don't stop drawing. The more you draw, the better you get at gauging what works and what doesn't.
This kinda appeared in a dream of mine, apparently being the flag of either El Paso or San Antonio.
A week ago, I had a United Guinea flag. Today, I present a United Guiana flag
The Seychellois influence is a bit more obvious this time around
Much like the Guinea flag from last week, the 5 stripes represents the five pieces of the Guiana region, and who colonized it:
Gold for Spanish/Venezuelan Guiana
Red for British and modern Guyana
White for Dutch and modern Suriname
Blue for the French
Green for Portuguese/Brazilian Guiana
In addition, they (once again) have additional meaning:
Gold for Prosperity
Red for Independence
White for Peace and Tranquility between its peoples
Blue for the many Rivers that give it its name
Green for the Natural Beauty
Next time, United Guinea-Guiana.
French North America Flag.
The 5 Fleur De Lys on each side represent the 5 parts of New France those being French Acadia, Canada, Hudson Bay, Louisiana, and Newfoundland.
French North America. I am coming up with a timeline to make it a possible scenario.
Peoples Republic of Vermont Flag i made in 30 seconds
Some flags I saw in a dream:
This one was shown being burned in a mass protest in some Arab country
There was also this flag being waved by a large number of the protesters, though anyone caught waving it was instantly shot
I really like the general design (especially for something done in a rush) though I always find the use of the hammer and sickle problematic on fictional "countries gone communist" flag. The reason is that OTL, while a number of communist parties around the world used it on party flags, the USSR was the only national flag to bear it. Every other countries that had a communist government either did not indicate their communist status on the national flag (czechoslovakia, cuba, poland), used a red/yellow star (yugoslavia, albania, china) or carried a unique symbol on it (angola, mozambique, romania). The later could be anything from Socialist Heraldry to crossed implements meant to represent local industry (ex: churning rod for dairy farms and a maple tree tapping spout)
Speaking of gone communist...here's a flag of the infamous NSM if it went to the far-left, SSNP-style; though I had to get alittle creative in making this:
Oh heeeyyy... long time no see, eh? It's been a while since I last posted, well, anything here, but better than nothing, right? Today I only have two new flags to present, but both of them continue my old-running "Random Communist Flag Designs" series! This'll be short but sweet:
First flag here is, well, not so much a Random Communist Flag, as it is more a near-direct copy of a flag from the Thousand Week Reich HoI4 mod currently in development; specifically, it's the flag of Kuznetsov's Soviet splinter-state. Don't know much about the situation of the fragmented USSR in TWR, but apparently all the various potential Soviet leaders have a focus-tree specifically revolving around the NKVD (or rather, what to do with it). From the linked image just before, Kuznetsov's plans are... kinda dickish. Of course, all the Soviet leaders seem to have varying levels of dubiousness in their plans for the NKVD, but Konev in particular stands out to me for his plotting to whack Zhukov so he can take his job.
The second flag I have here is a more original creation, but also draws inspiration from Hearts of Iron 4 once again: specifically, this National Spirit icon and these two proposed Syndie!USA flag designs from the Kaiserreich Reddit. The big empty space within curve of the sickle somewhat bothers me, but I couldn't really hash out a satisfying solution to filling it, so I left it as-is.
Well, anyways, that's all I have to show for now; maybe I'll have more next time. Until then!
"Flag of the Commonwealth of America"
Happy 4th of July everyone! I know the day is almost over for all of us, but I thought it would be fun to make a flag for my one tiny graphics timeline where the United States becomes a constitutional monarchy led by Benedict Arnold, because nothing says USA like Benedict Arnold and monarchism modeled after the British.
Excerpt from "The Vexillological Encyclopedia," published circa 1989 by the Imperial Vexillological Society of Fredonia:
"The Commonwealth of America was a nation forged from chaotic dispute, and, like any flag, this history of chaos is reflected by the banner of the Commonwealth, often nicknamed the "Continental Cross." adopted in 1788, the Continental Cross was preceded by the flag of the United States of America (see pp. 200-201), which was designed in 1777 to symbolize the fledgling confederation that came before the Commonwealth of America. With the United States being a government built around the mindset of the individuality of its constituent "states," its banner sought to display this, with thirteen stripes and thirteen stars representing each original state (Canada and Vermont would not become states until 1783 and 1785 respectively) of the United States of America.
With the advent of the Commonwealth of America, however, the new regime, which was dominated by Alexander Hamilton's pro-centralization Commonwealth Party, sought to adapt a new flag for the realm of King Benedict I that moved away from the colors of the failed United States of America. For the initial months of the Commonwealth of America, the old "Betsy Ross Flag" of the United States as the de facto national banner, however, recently elected Governor Alexander Hamilton and the Commonwealth Party had been keen on creating a new flag for the American monarchy since the ratification of the constitution of the Commonwealth of America. This led to the creation of the first proposed design for the flag of the Commonwealth by Delegate John Trumbull of the Province of Connecticut alongside a committee of Hamiltonian senators. This flag opted for a blue banner representing democracy covered with a white cross representing the unity of America under the monarchy, while the green pine tree in the middle mimicked an old Iroquois tale of "burying the hatchet" of infighting between the numerous Iroquois tribes under a tree.
The proposed "Trumbull Flag" for the Commonwealth of America
Whilst immensely popular amongst Commonwealthites, the Trumbull Flag was often criticized by the rival Populist Party, which dominated the primarily anti-monarchist southern provinces. Founded by former opponents to the ratification of the constitution of the Commonwealth of America, the Populist Party was staunchly opposed to the Trumbull Flag, which chose to reject any symbols of the individual provinces in favor of a testament to the national government, and to add insult to injury the only remotely regional symbol on the Trumbull Flag was the pine tree, which had a history of affiliation with New England during the American War of Independence. This would cause the Populist Party to promote its own flag for the Commonwealth of America, which would emulate the former symbolism of the Betsy Ross Flag by being a simplistic banner of fifteen red and white stripes to symbolize the fifteen provinces, which obviously harkened back to old Union aesthetic by copying the stars and stripes of the flag of the United States. The reasoning behind the colors of the "Fifteen Stripes Flag" was also copied from the Betsy Ross Flag, with white representing purity and innocence and red representing hardiness and valor.
The proposed "Fifteen Stripes Flag" for the Commonwealth of America
Both proposed flags were immensely controversial in young Commonwealth of America, and both the Trumbull Flag and the Fifteen Stripes Flag became symbols of the opposing ideologies of the Commonwealth. While both the Senate and the House of Delegates of the Continental Congress were controlled by a Commonwealth Party majority, no Commonwealthite senator dared to propose a bill recognizing the Trumbull Flag as the official banner of America, fearing that such a bill, while likely to be passed, would cause an intense uproar amongst Populists, particularly in the Populist-controlled southern provinces. Eventually, using an assortment of unofficial colors by American ships and armed forces became tedious and convoluted to handle, thus leading Secretary of State Benjamin Franklin to invite a handful of prominent Commonwealthites and Populists to his office in Princeton to design a compromise flag, with Mr Franklin famously proclaiming, "A flag is no reason to start a civil war."
Eventually, this would lead to the creation of the Commonwealth Cross, which would be approved by both houses of the Continental Congress as the official flag of the Commonwealth of America on January 11th, 1788. The product of compromise, the Commonwealth banner utilizes symbolism of both the Commonwealth and Populist parties. The white cross in the middle is a representation of national unity under the monarchy, as was the case with the Trumbull Flag, although it was also decided that the white would also technically represent purity and innocence to appease Populists. The blue background was also opted out in favor of a red alternative, which, like the Fifteen Stripes Flag, represents hardiness and valor alongside democracy and control of the government by the people due to red being a color strongly affiliated with democracy, or at least populist democracy, by this point. In the upper left-hand corner, a blue canton (representing vigilance, perseverance, and justice) sports fifteen white five-pointed stars, each of which represent one of the original provinces of the Commonwealth of America.
Popular amongst both Commonwealthites and Populists alike, the Commonwealth Cross would remain the official flag of America throughout its entire history of sovereignty, and even after the unification of America and Mexico in 1840, the Commonwealth Cross was recognized as the banner of the collective former territory of America, much in the same sense that the flag of the former Federal Kingdom of Mexico (see pp. 207-208) remains the regional symbol of present-day Mexico. Earning its nickname from soldiers fighting in Saint-Dominique during the Franco-American War, the general aesthetic of the Commonwealth Cross was often copied by the armed forces and political branches of America and would later be mimicked by Continental Army regiments in the American Civil War due to the official flag of Continental Army instead being the pre-Commonwealth "Gadsden Flag" (see pp. 204-206)."
The Legacy of Benedict I
The American Civil War
Wikipedia: King Benedict I
The flag of the Confederation of Concordian Republics, a representation of the colonially structured behemoth that is among the few superpowers on Erecond. Adopted in 436 SPE, 36 years after the Concordat (the document that established the country, and is also the country's constitution) was signed and ratified. The meaning of the flag goes like this, the white 8 sided star among the dark grey background, represents the 8 signatories of the Concordat, the first 8 states of Concordia which the representatives of them signed in favor of. The background surrounding the star means unity among the states, the white stripe on top of the 2 colors, represents hope and peace, while the blue below represents the water of Concordia/Muyland, with the red finally meaning Concordia's love of their people, and their willpower.
(Susceptible for change, some ideas I suggested myself is to make Concordia a commonwealth state of its colonial overlord, an unoriginal UK analog that I named after a Michigan county, which also has a constitutional elective monarchy.)
From my Thousand Week Reich timeline, though the actual context isn't up yet, it's more of a preview.
Go here for the full thread: https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...ich-a-realistic-nazi-victory-scenario.444582/
Flag of the Association of European Nations, adopted in 1997
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