Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by SaveAtlacamani, Apr 1, 2014.
I like this, though I would make the 4 stripes at the base the same width.
This kicks ass, I love the Spear-through-Crown motif folks do with Virginia designs. However I would agree with @Martinus Paduei that you should increase the number of stripes perhaps to 4 like they said, or even 5.
Four even stripes for Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and Monroe might be cool.
A fictional german state flag.
A flag for a British republic that I thought of this morning.
Many (including me) point out that becoming a republic wouldn't necessitate a new flag since the current flag has nothing explicitly monarchist about it (except by mental association) and it has a lot of entrenched national brand recognition so there would be resistance to change. But I had an idea and I wanted to see how it looked.
It is deliberately reminiscent of the current flag for the sake of recognition.
The central symbol is a compass, which represents the maritime culture, exploration and international reach that has characterised its history and identity.
The blue represents the ocean, boundless ambition and excellence, the white represents the coastline, snow and modern civilisation, and the red represents the land, courage and sacrifice. The overall layout suggests an island surrounded by ocean, but not isolated by it, as its influence radiates outwards like the points of the compass. Britain's legacy can be felt in every direction, e.g. the English language, scientists like Isaac Newton, modern capitalism, the Industrial Revolution and so on.
The four main points represent the four Home Nations: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. The four lesser points represent the Crown Dependencies (what would these be renamed to?), Overseas Territories, Commonwealth nations and other allies. These are all connected to suggest glory in unity.
The resemblance to the flag of NATO is also intentional.
People's Republic of Brazil (2nd Part to the Kingdom of Brazil Flag)
The years immediate after the Peace of Paraná were not easy. After his ousting, dos Santos fled to British Guiana with his followers. He was still immensely popular among the low working class and the hundreds of thousands of slaves that still lived under subjugation in Brazil, and quickly assembled and trained an army of loyal supporters. He received support from socialist patrons in Argentina, Colombia and Portugal. The vacuum of power generated by the long absence of Pedro II led to the rise of factional militias and leaders, who even after the war continued to fight for power in the new legislative system. The King was forced to relinquish a great deal of his authority, compromising his ability to fight off the growing republican and laborite movements which were becoming increasingly popular among Brazil's urban elite. In Sao Paolo and Recife, for example, a social and artistic movement known as "Afonsonism" arguing the fact that a monarch was not divinely elected but drew power from his people (based closely on the English Enlightenment) was extremely popular and achieved several seats at the legislative assembly. The matter was only aggravated when news arrived that Pedro II would-be wife, Teresa Cristina of the Two Sicilies, had died while on her journey to Brazil from Italy after her boat was shipwrecked; this emotionally crushed Pedro II and forced him into a loveless marriage with Marie Gabriella of France. In 1849, they had a son; Ricardo, Prince Imperial, who was immediately groomed to be the King's successor.
These events led to Pedro II having a severe heart attack just a year later in 1850. This prompted a regency under Marie Gabriella. The deal was, she was romantically attracted to Joao dos Santos: the two had met while dos Santos was studying political sciences in Paris, but refrained from marrying as Marie Gabriella was of noble birth and dos Santos was a commoner. The two kept a secret love correspondence as early as 1848, with the Queen consort signing as "R. Paola". She invited dos Santos to return to Brazil; he and an army of 50,000 marched onto Rio de Janeiro, and declared the "People's Republic of Brazil". He had Pedro II sent to Buenos Aires while still unconscious; upon waking up and realizing he had been dethroned, he subsequently had a mental breakdown. He recovered, however, and immediately set forth to Uruguay. Uniting the leftist factions and consolidating his reign, this time dos Santos kept the elites happy by allowing them a lucrative stake on Brazil's economy, while also expanding the rights of the common class (he couldn't liberate slaves, as this would alienate the wealthy upper class). By 1852, he held a strong grip in Brazil and had married Marie Gabriella, even though she never legally divorced Pedro II. Around this time, the monarch requested and received assistance from liberal entities in Argentina, the United States, Chile, Britain, Portugal and Mexico, who financially supported his exiled regime and sent supplies. In spring 1852, Pedro II met with several influential elites in Montevideo, who agreed to help the King organize a coup against dos Santos. The date was set for one of the most decisive confrontations in history.
13 August, 1852. A group of Mexican, Argentine, Uruguayan and even American volunteers arrive at Sao Paolo, where they meet with Ruben Mateos, a wealthy rancher from Spain, who made his fortune dealing cattle in the southern Brazilian prairies. They had all posed as diplomatic envoys representing their native country; do Santos had organized a summit of countries in order to celebrate his wife's 28th birthday. They kidnapped the real envoys, stole their identification and made their way to the Casa do Mercado (or "Market House", a late-18th century residence built in Sao Paolo), where the meeting was held. The 14 "representatives", once do Santos and his wife entered the precinct, unfurled their weapons and gunned down the presidential guard. Pedro II then entered the room. However, members of the army caught wind of what was happening and opened fire at the Casa do Mercado with heavy cannons. The 14 royalist supporters retaliated while the King and do Santos battled it out in a mouse chase. Pedro II was then surrounded, and had since lost his revolver handgun. Just as do Santos was about to shoot him, the President was shot in the back of the head.
Marie Gabriella stood behind him, with a carbine rifle.
She knew that once Pedro II recovered the throne, nothing but death would await her for betraying the monarchy. Acting entirely on self-interest, she shot do Santos, seeking to regain the King's favor. The two kiss, but Pedro II quite literally stabs her in the back as she stood in her arms. Her lifeless body topples down. And, across the hall, a single cry is chanted over and over, stronger each time.
"Long live Pedro II! Long live Pedro II!! LONG LIVE PEDRO II!!"
How's that for a story! Might even develop it into a fully-fledged timeline. Thoughts?
Huh, neat. I made my own versions of the Soviet SSR national flags a while back, but oddly enough I seem to have not posted them here in this thread:
Spoiler: Soviet Union Flag 1 (All-Union)
Spoiler: Soviet Union Flag 2 (Russian SFSR)
Spoiler: Soviet Union Flag 3 (Baltic SFSR)
Spoiler: Soviet Union Flag 4 (Transcaucasian SFSR)
Spoiler: Soviet Union Flag 5 (Belarusian SSR)
Spoiler: Soviet Union Flag 6 (Ukrainian SSR)
Spoiler: Soviet Union Flag 7 (Kazakh SSR)
Spoiler: Soviet Union Flag 8 (Kyrgyz SSR)
Spoiler: Soviet Union Flag 9 (Tajik SSR)
Spoiler: Soviet Flag 10 (Uzbek SSR)
Spoiler: Soviet Union Flag 11 (Turkmen SSR)
Spoiler: Soviet Union Flag 12 (Kaliningrad Oblast)
Well that oversight is now fixed. Enjoy!
All amazing work, though a little nationalistic for my taste. I much prefer agro and landform symbols or post-national one-people symbs. to pre-rev stuff.
Kinda what I was going for, meant to appease the nationalists and minorities of the USSR, giving each of the SSRs a little bit more identity than the historical/OTL/IRL flags... plus, I wanted to standardize the flag designs, because I found the original IRL flags to be a bit too schizophrenic in their layouts in relation to each other.
In other news, here's a new flag I made for a Communist Egypt - the Socialist Nile State:
Awesome stuff, and that is a scenario I could see happening successfully. Nationalism sometimes has its uses among oppressed peoples as a weapon of class struggle. Also that Egypt is beautiful.
Amazing what a couple of sledgehammers and a gear-cog can do.
For a moment, I nearly thought it was the flag of Lyria and Rivia from The Witcher.
Lyria and Rivia used three Leopards though, not two Lions.
Very nice. I always enjoy alt-commie flags.
Reminds me of a future flag attribution thing I did:
I draw it from myself, but... Could i have seen the flag from witcher and remember it unconsciously?
Going on a massive ideological rant in the flag thread is the most clear example of trolling I can think of.
Kicked for a week.
Ah! That's another context in which this design fits.
The flag of the great state of Dakota.* The twin blue stripes represent the Missouri and Red Rivers, which form much of the western and eastern boundaries of the state. The twin silver stripes represent the towns that have formed along their banks, where many Dakotans live. The green represents the farmland which feeds the state. There are six black stars, representing the resources of the state. The white sun represents the blessings of nature, peace, and God. It has 40 points, as Dakota is the 40th state in the Union.
* All of OTL ND and SD that is east of both the Missouri River and the 102nd meridian.
Like it, though I think you could get away with making the silver stripes and the black stars white.
A Different Mexico: a Collection of Flags
The future of human history itself was, unknowingly to essentially everyone, decided by a single military decision, in a far-away land seeking independence. The quest for freedom from foreign subjugation was sowed when Spain faced the invading hordes of a rampant Napoleon in 1808. With Madrid torn by war and with a puppet king ruling the vast Spanish Empire, a cry of revolt spread across the colonies. In 1810, a clergy by the name of Miguel Hidalgo rose the Mexican people to arms a cold morning of 15 September. And so the movement spread: Hidalgo's army saw a quick succession of victories which quickly overwhelmed the viceregal government, first in Guanajuato, and later at the Monte de las Cruces (Mount of the Crosses). On 3 November, Hidalgo's men reached an undefended Mexico City. However, the insurgents stalled. The victory at the Monte de las Cruces had revealed a series of disturbing truths, which clouded Hidalgo's mind with doubt. First, the untrained and highly indisciplined mob of rioting bandits that made up the rebel army were a chaotic bunch: they pillaged, looted and brawled as they rampaged across Guanajuato, and Hidalgo knew the damage in the capital would be immensely greater. He was a priest, not a military commander: the idea of bloodshed horrified him. There were also strategic concerns: they had endured tremendous casualties, which weakened the internal command structure and left the rebel forces near depletion. Rumors that a grand royalist counteroffensive was on its way left Hidalgo fearing that an attack on Mexico City would result in a catastrophic defeat. Should they pull back? Was retreat a better option than risking the destruction of the rebel movement?
The so-called "Guadalupe Flag", used by the insurgents as a crude battle flag. Based on the famous "Guadalupe Banner" carried by Hidalgo during his march out of Dolores.
On 5 November, Hidalgo told Allende he planned to retreat and instead lead an offensive into the Mexican Bajío (the Wes North-Central states of Aguascalientes, Jalisco, Guanajuato and Querétaro). Allende, however, would have none of it. Victory laid straight ahead: if they captured the capital, they would control the very epicenter of transport, communication, commerce and political life of the New Spain. The Spanish would be scattered, and the rebels would achieve legitimacy to their cause. If they retreated now, they would provide the Spaniards time to regroup and organize a counterattack (as it occurred OTL). In a twist of fate, Allende and Ignacio López Rayón, another revolutionary chief, secretly agreed to take control of the army for the sake of the movement. On the early hours of 6 November, Allende forged a letter from their commanders in Guanajuato, telling them that the Viceroy of New Spain, Felix María Calleja, wished to negotiate in Guadalajara. Allende pressured Hidalgo to answer the so-called invitation, which he did. That same day, Hidalgo and a delegation of some 20 men set route for Guadalajara, while Allende and López stayed behind with the army in Cuajimalpa, just in the outskirts of Mexico City.
With Hidalgo away, Allende ordered the entire insurgent army, numbering some 80,000 irregulars, to march onto the capital. The mutiny had succeeded: Allende, being among the few insurgent leaders with actual military training, inspired his men and was well-liked among rebel troops, although he certainly did not incite the emotions Hidalgo did. The cold night of 6 November, Allende and his men stormed Mexico City.
The battle standard of Allende, known as the "Twin Flag" coat of arms. This flag flew during the Monte de las Cruces and during the assault on Mexico City.
Part 2 coming soon.
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