Flag Thread IV

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by Red Arturoist, Apr 1, 2014.

  1. WhiteDragon25 Well-Known Member

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    Kinda what I was going for, meant to appease the nationalists and minorities of the USSR, giving each of the SSRs a little bit more identity than the historical/OTL/IRL flags... plus, I wanted to standardize the flag designs, because I found the original IRL flags to be a bit too schizophrenic in their layouts in relation to each other.

    In other news, here's a new flag I made for a Communist Egypt - the Socialist Nile State:

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  2. Dorozhand Queer Maoist

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    Awesome stuff, and that is a scenario I could see happening successfully. Nationalism sometimes has its uses among oppressed peoples as a weapon of class struggle. Also that Egypt is beautiful.
     
  3. WhiteDragon25 Well-Known Member

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    Amazing what a couple of sledgehammers and a gear-cog can do.
     
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  4. Yorel Well-Known Member

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    For a moment, I nearly thought it was the flag of Lyria and Rivia from The Witcher.

    Lyria and Rivia used three Leopards though, not two Lions.
     
  5. Belarus-Chan Well-Known Member

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    Very nice. I always enjoy alt-commie flags.
     
  6. The Professor Pontifex Collegii Vexillographiariorum

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    Interesting.
    Reminds me of a future flag attribution thing I did:
    https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/flag-thread-iii.213503/page-315#post-7120081
     
  7. Filo Count of Santa Lucia

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    I draw it from myself, but... Could i have seen the flag from witcher and remember it unconsciously?
     
  8. Burton K Wheeler l'état profond, c'est moi Moderator

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    Going on a massive ideological rant in the flag thread is the most clear example of trolling I can think of.

    Kicked for a week.
     
  9. Transparent Blue TRANSPARENT! TRANSPARENT!

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  10. Jamee999 England --> Brooklyn

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    The flag of the great state of Dakota.* The twin blue stripes represent the Missouri and Red Rivers, which form much of the western and eastern boundaries of the state. The twin silver stripes represent the towns that have formed along their banks, where many Dakotans live. The green represents the farmland which feeds the state. There are six black stars, representing the resources of the state. The white sun represents the blessings of nature, peace, and God. It has 40 points, as Dakota is the 40th state in the Union.

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    * All of OTL ND and SD that is east of both the Missouri River and the 102nd meridian.
     
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  11. timmy_khagann Nomad of the Red Plains

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    Like it, though I think you could get away with making the silver stripes and the black stars white.
     
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  12. AlvinTheCreator I have absolutely no idea what's going on.

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    A Different Mexico: a Collection of Flags
    The future of human history itself was, unknowingly to essentially everyone, decided by a single military decision, in a far-away land seeking independence. The quest for freedom from foreign subjugation was sowed when Spain faced the invading hordes of a rampant Napoleon in 1808. With Madrid torn by war and with a puppet king ruling the vast Spanish Empire, a cry of revolt spread across the colonies. In 1810, a clergy by the name of Miguel Hidalgo rose the Mexican people to arms a cold morning of 15 September. And so the movement spread: Hidalgo's army saw a quick succession of victories which quickly overwhelmed the viceregal government, first in Guanajuato, and later at the Monte de las Cruces (Mount of the Crosses). On 3 November, Hidalgo's men reached an undefended Mexico City. However, the insurgents stalled. The victory at the Monte de las Cruces had revealed a series of disturbing truths, which clouded Hidalgo's mind with doubt. First, the untrained and highly indisciplined mob of rioting bandits that made up the rebel army were a chaotic bunch: they pillaged, looted and brawled as they rampaged across Guanajuato, and Hidalgo knew the damage in the capital would be immensely greater. He was a priest, not a military commander: the idea of bloodshed horrified him. There were also strategic concerns: they had endured tremendous casualties, which weakened the internal command structure and left the rebel forces near depletion. Rumors that a grand royalist counteroffensive was on its way left Hidalgo fearing that an attack on Mexico City would result in a catastrophic defeat. Should they pull back? Was retreat a better option than risking the destruction of the rebel movement?

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    The so-called "Guadalupe Flag", used by the insurgents as a crude battle flag. Based on the famous "Guadalupe Banner" carried by Hidalgo during his march out of Dolores.

    On 5 November, Hidalgo told Allende he planned to retreat and instead lead an offensive into the Mexican Bajío (the Wes North-Central states of Aguascalientes, Jalisco, Guanajuato and Querétaro). Allende, however, would have none of it. Victory laid straight ahead: if they captured the capital, they would control the very epicenter of transport, communication, commerce and political life of the New Spain. The Spanish would be scattered, and the rebels would achieve legitimacy to their cause. If they retreated now, they would provide the Spaniards time to regroup and organize a counterattack (as it occurred OTL). In a twist of fate, Allende and Ignacio López Rayón, another revolutionary chief, secretly agreed to take control of the army for the sake of the movement. On the early hours of 6 November, Allende forged a letter from their commanders in Guanajuato, telling them that the Viceroy of New Spain, Felix María Calleja, wished to negotiate in Guadalajara. Allende pressured Hidalgo to answer the so-called invitation, which he did. That same day, Hidalgo and a delegation of some 20 men set route for Guadalajara, while Allende and López stayed behind with the army in Cuajimalpa, just in the outskirts of Mexico City.

    With Hidalgo away, Allende ordered the entire insurgent army, numbering some 80,000 irregulars, to march onto the capital. The mutiny had succeeded: Allende, being among the few insurgent leaders with actual military training, inspired his men and was well-liked among rebel troops, although he certainly did not incite the emotions Hidalgo did. The cold night of 6 November, Allende and his men stormed Mexico City.

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    The battle standard of Allende, known as the "Twin Flag" coat of arms. This flag flew during the Monte de las Cruces and during the assault on Mexico City.

    Part 2 coming soon.
     
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  13. AlvinTheCreator I have absolutely no idea what's going on.

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    And while I'm at it...

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    A more realistic flag for a Lunar Commonwealth

    Most flags regarding the Moon are usually the same: a black background with a gray circle or something similar, intended to represent the actual Moon. I tried doing something different: a flag that is less sci-fi and more likely to be the actual Moon flag if Lunar colonies are ever a thing. Of course, I still kept some traditional aspects: the dark blue background represents space, but also peace. I based myself in the United Nations flag, which is already a very universal banner for mankind. The discs represent Earth, while the star symbolizes unity for all mankind and the "New Frontier" - space.

    I picture a future Lunar colony to be a federation of states with regional administrations, under the jurisdiction of a grand Lunar government with members from all corners of Earth.
     
  14. AlvinTheCreator I have absolutely no idea what's going on.

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    Around 1:00 AM on 7 November, the core of Hispanic colonial rule was attacked by a mob of misfits and farmers armed with machetes, axes, pitchforks and what few guns they could acquire. Allende and his men attacked from the west, only to be met by a savage volley of gunfire. A small garrison of royalist troops, slaves and local volunteers numbering some 1,500 had hastily assembled positions the day previous. The insurgents became bogged down: their lack of training and inferior weapons resulted in massive casualties. However, most of the defenders were entrenched inside buildings and were firing from windows, while only the best men took positions near the main road. After some twenty-minutes of massacre, Allende broke through the main road, slaughtering several royalist soldiers, before slowly occupying positions around the defender-infested buildings. After the garrison began running low on ammunition, the insurgents stormed each building, one by one. By sunrise, almost as quickly as it had begun, the battle for Mexico City was over.

    What ensued was carnage. When news came that the viceregal troops had been soundly defeated at the Monte de las Cruces, several Peninsulares, Criollos (privileged Spaniards residing in New Spain) and other wealthy aristocrats fled the city, fearing a repetition of the massacre of Guanajuato. Several fled to other cities such as Veracruz, Acapulco, León and Chilpancingo, while others escaped to Spain. The insurgents ransacked Mexico City with fiery brutality, massacring thousands of civilians, pillaging and looting, and burning down whatever reminded them of the viceregal administration. The Mexico City Metropolitan Cathedral was completely stripped clean of anything of worth before being destroyed. Chapultepec Castle, near the city center, was the site of a hellish display of violence and unmeasured brutality; some 50 noble persons hiding there were summarily murdered. Entire streets laid wasted with bodies and rubble; statues, obelisks and other monuments featuring Spanish kings and rulers were tear down with ropes and pickaxes. By day's end, some 43,000 people had been killed; 7,000 insurgents were killed, to 1,322 royalist deaths.

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    The Doliente Flag, designed on 17 November 1810 by Ignacio Allende during the Congress of the Americas in Mexico City. This flag became the bases for the official flag of the new nation.

    The 24-hour period would go down in Mexican history as the "Triunfo Trágico" (Tragic Triumph). Large sectors of the capital were destroyed, and thousands were homeless. A vast majority of them despised the insurgent movement, although a minority - mestizos and indigenous people - sided with the rebels, hoping to improve their quality of life. Around 9:40 PM, Allende entered the viceroy's residence, the National Palace, which was (relatively) spared from ransack at the commander's orders, while Ignacio López managed the occupying forces. It was there that he called on fellow revolutionary leaders to decide the future of the country.

    Further south, Hidalgo reaches Guadalajara on 8 November. His entrance into the city was confusing: local soldiers were bewildered when they saw the very leader of the rebel movement ride into town as if he owned the place, completely undefended. The scene that ensued was violent, although accounts differ. Some say that Hidalgo's secretary, a man by the name of Juan Roberto Zúñiga, panicked when he saw the mob of soldiers approached them, and fired his gun, resulting in the officers returning fire and killing Hidalgo. Others say Hidalgo himself, suspecting something was not right, attempted to ride off, but Zúñiga shot him (this version tells that he was also part of Allende's conspiracy, and was ordered to kill Hidalgo once they arrived). Whatever the case, Hidalgo was killed that same day. Surrounded by soldiers, he muttered his last words: "Damned Allende... son of a bitch..." Zúñiga and the other members of his entourage were, meanwhile, trialled and executed in the outskirts of town on 11 November.
     
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  15. AlvinTheCreator I have absolutely no idea what's going on.

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    With the capital in rebel hands, the next obvious step was deciding the future of the nation. Different insurgent factions sought a variety of ideals; the original plan was to impose an opposing monarchic regime in New Spain, ruling as the legitimate Spanish government in the name of Ferdinand VII, who was deposed by Napoleon's troops in 1808. The Spanish monarch had been declared legitimate king by the Courts of Cádiz in August, and several people across the Americas still saw him as the true ruler of Spain. Allende and other supporters, mainly Juan Aldama and Miguel Domínguez, advocated the creation of a separate kingdom, with Ferdinand VII as monarch and while maintaining several privileges of the Criollos. These individuals levied intense political and economic power, and continuously kept troops happy by increasing pay and the quality of rations.

    On 13 November, Allende called for a great congress of representatives from New Spain, with each territorial subdivision sending a number of Delegados (Delegates). These subdivisions were: Zacatecas, Guadalajara, Guanajuato, Valladolid, México, Puebla, Oaxaca, Veracruz, San Luis Potosí, Nueva Vizcaya, Sonora y Sinaloa, Coahuila, Nuevo León, Nuevo Santander, Alta California, Santa Fe de Nuevo México, Tejas, Mérida de Yucatán and Guatemala. Some 80 delegados from all across the New Spain attended; some were priests and clergymen; others were businessmen, ranchers, bankers, military officials and government officers; nevertheless, a vast majority were Criollos, with a tiny remaining percent belonging to the Peninsulares. This Congress of the Americas was a pivotal step in the liberation of the New Spain, and throughout the meeting, several proposals were made.

    The monarchist camp, led by Allende, was the most numerous, and the one backed by the rich class and the clergy. To them, the idea of absolute independence was not as vivid as it had been to Hidalgo, but rather symbolized a return of the rightful king to the Spanish throne. However, the case was not so for the smaller yet louder "republican" faction, which held a more extreme vision for liberation; a vision which encompassed full and complete independence from Spain and forming a republic. A young priest named José María Morelos, a friend of Hidalgo's and a delegado from Valladolid, led this faction, and even went as far as to declare Allende was a traitor embedded by the Napoleonic government in Madrid. The following days saw the situation worsening almost completely as monarchists and republicans clashed.

    Around this time, General Calleja and his men were forced to regroup in the south of the country. With his army in shambles and being increasingly shunned away by the people, he knew it would be a matter of time before Hidalgo's revolution spread (Note: the news of the priest's death have not been made widespread, due to poor roads and the presence of bandoleers in the countryside) and the people clamored for independence. He began planning a final assault on the rebels, who were still entrenched in Mexico City. Ignacio López, who was already struggling to keep the bored and restless troops in control, knew there might be a mutiny if the soldiers were not given any action, and also knew Calleja would try and recover the capital. Independence would only be achieved until Calleja surrendered and the Spaniards had no choice but to evacuate the country. He began planning an attack on Veracruz and then Acapulco; this would completely disrupt supply and communication lines and seal victory. As the most vital strategic cities, it was likely Calleja would forfeit an attack on Mexico City to defend Veracruz (as his main source of resources).

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    The official standard of José María Morelos, which inspired several early military flags for Mexico, including the first official war flag.


    On 18 November, the two sides of the Congress of the Americas agreed to sign a Declaration of Independence, fundamentally supported on the oppressive practices of the Spanish regime and the right for every man to seek justice when it is not made to them (it was closely based on the American Declaration, from 1776). At 4:30 PM, all 82 delegados signed the Declaration of Independence, which was redacted by both Allende and Morelos.

    The great hall exploded in rejoicing and applause. Finally, the will of the people was being testified in paper, and the unalienable rights provided by God were being held up to. The final version, presented the following morning to the Congress, passed easily with only some disapproval from the most diehard monarchists. However, the Declaration did not end the Congress's troubles: they still couldn't decide what form of government to adopt.

    Morelos knew that the only way to secure a bright future for the young country was by negotiating with Allende and securing some kind of temporary compromise; once the final blow was delivered against the Spaniards, he could do his move and set Mexico down a path of democracy and equality.

    It was during these deliberations that suddenly, a horseman stormed the National Palace. He demanded to speak with Allende immediately. After tussling with some guards, he made it to the main chambers, where Allende and López were speaking during a Congress break. The two men looked at the young fellow inquiringly. The weary rider extended a letter to Allende, which he read closely. His eyes grew wide in disbelief.
    "Hidalgo is dead..." he muttered.
     
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  16. PierceJJones Notice me senpai Klobuchar

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    The Flag of British Waktanga (1897-1966)
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  17. Filo Count of Santa Lucia

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    When Greece become communist, Crete was heavily defended by american garrisons and the King and the government flew there.
    The ruthless military junta instituited by the militaries(with Usa support) led, eventually, to the discredit of the monarchy and its abolishion.
    The new repubblic is less cruel and militaristic, but is still not an open society; heavily influenced by orthodox church and right-wing propaganda, Crete is, now thea the communist menace is dissolved, struggling to find a place in the new world order,
     
  18. TrucKola Raccoon Emperor of Gaulish Brennusia

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    Wakanda chance does this flag have at being official? It's gotta be a seal on the fly end of a homogenous red that can be confused as any other British colonial flag. It's the way it works!
     
  19. timmy_khagann Nomad of the Red Plains

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    Finally done with all the flags for my project. The layout took hours of time and error to figure out.

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    Not gonna lie, I don't like how some of them ended up in hindsight. But at least this half's done.

    Edit: This thing's also around 9k x 6k, so mobile users beware.
     
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  20. Tyche Hand of Providence

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    This looks fantastic, and that's an interesting design for territorial flags, can't wait to see what else is in store!
     
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