Flag Thread IV

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by Red Arturoist, Apr 1, 2014.

  1. Miner Tu sais que j'ai dû le leur faire

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    And I can't disagree with your opposition to the regimes of Stalin, Mao, etc., but communism isn't all gulags and starvation. Anarchists and other libertarian-minded types have opposed both capitalism and authoritarian regimes masquerading as "communism" - whose leaders usually didn't have any intention of abolishing the state unlike libcoms - since the days of Lenin.
     
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  2. Dorozhand Queer Maoist

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    The great economist Professor Leonid Abalkin has particularly interesting things to say.
    From the educational documentary on cooperative economics, USSR: A Society Without Crises

     
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  3. Ivoshafen Just A Man From Gondor - Recovering from SATS

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    Nice literal Soviet era propaganda, bud.
    I'm done with this conversation.
     
  4. AlvinTheCreator I have absolutely no idea what's going on.

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    I really didn't want to start a communist debate here, just uploading flags for fun:oops:
    In any case, the reason Animal Farm is always brought up is because it's true. Facts are facts: Cuba, for example, has had only two presidents since 1959; North Korea three since 1948, and in all cases it was because the leader died in office, not because a democratic process removed them. I rest my case, and I'll just carry on posting flags :p
     
  5. DownrangeDowner Well-Known Member

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    “New Union” scenarios are so underrated. I love these, any more?
     
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  6. AlvinTheCreator I have absolutely no idea what's going on.

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    Alternate 1831. Following the abdication of Pedro I, Emperor of Brazil, his five-year-old son Pedro II was proclaimed as the new monarch. As the young emperor occupied the throne, a weak and very unstable regency commanded the country until Pedro II was declared of age. Different factions vied for power, and all across Brazil a great struggle ensued. The Brazilian Civil War was a complex web of warlords, private armies, political parties and even members of the imperial court battling it out for control of Brazil. The violent war forced Pedro II out to Argentina, where he would reign as a landless emperor. By 1838, the regency collapsed and Rio de Janeiro fell to Joao do Santos: a commander within the imperial army, who espoused radical leftist views after seeing the oppression of black slaves across Brazil. He proclaimed a republic, the Republic of Brazil, stripping Pedro II of his titles and arresting any political opponents. The dwindling royalist faction retreated south to Santa Catarina, were they regrouped.

    But not everything was lost. Once Pedro II became of age in 1841, he quickly rode to Santa Catarina, met with royalist forces, and set out to regain control of Brazil. Luckily for Pedro II, do Santos and his administration were collapsing: inexperience and a lack of support from the elite, who still controlled most means of production, led to his resignation shortly after Pedro II's return. The emperor returned to Rio de Janeiro and reestablished the monarchy in 1842. However, this was short-lived as well: in an attempt to restore stability and calm his enemies, Pedro II abolished the Empire and instead proclaimed a Kingdom, where the King's powers were limited by a democratically-elected assembly. The Peace of Paraná of 1843 brought an end to the period of civil war and formalized the Kingdom of Brazil. But not everything was so rosy...
     
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  7. Belarus-Chan Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I'm redesigning the other ones too. I've gone through several different concepts but I think keeping them similar to the originals is the best. Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia will be next.
     
  8. The Professor Pontifex Collegii Vexillographiariorum

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    A Free Soil American secessionist state:
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    The red stripes are the "bloody pillars that uphold Freedom".
    The gold star on blue represents unity of all peoples - originally planned to be a white star and representing the states as one people until it was realised it might come across a tad too racist for Freesoilers.
     
  9. Zachary VIII Russian bot

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    I like it. All the symbolism makes sense. Why those particular colors for the star? Something like blue representing the nation and how it encompasses all its people (gold)?
     
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  10. The Professor Pontifex Collegii Vexillographiariorum

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    It was originally going to be a white star on blue - a single star for a single union - compared to the previous American flag of multiple stars on blue.
    But a white star on a blue star seemed to be able to symbolise racial supremacy so gold instead.
     
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  11. Trackah the Uchronaut

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    While it make sence in 2019 to not use the white star, I don't think it would have been a problem at the time.
     
  12. timmy_khagann Nomad of the Red Plains

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    Redesign of Virginia's flag, from my ongoing project. Lower third of the flag is half of George Washington's CoA for that "Birthplace of Statesmen" thing. The thin white line is for aesthetic (never cross tincture with tincture, or metal with metal), and all four "bars" put together represent the four major river systems of the state. The charges defacing the blue field is a graphical representation of the state's motto "Sic semper tyrannis", with Virtus's spear "breaking" a link of thirteen chains -- one for each of the thirteen founding states -- and holding a dangling crown.

    I was primarily inspired by the flag of Richmond, VA, and from some designs I found off Google Images that made use of either a spear and crown or a spear and chain link.
     
  13. Martinus Paduei Generic Witty User Title

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    I like this, though I would make the 4 stripes at the base the same width.
     
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  14. Tyche Hand of Providence

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    This kicks ass, I love the Spear-through-Crown motif folks do with Virginia designs. However I would agree with @Martinus Paduei that you should increase the number of stripes perhaps to 4 like they said, or even 5.
     
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  15. Jamee999 England --> Brooklyn

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    Four even stripes for Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and Monroe might be cool.
     
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  16. Filo Count of Santa Lucia

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    A fictional german state flag.
     
  17. Transparent Blue TRANSPARENT! TRANSPARENT!

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    A flag for a British republic that I thought of this morning.
    Many (including me) point out that becoming a republic wouldn't necessitate a new flag since the current flag has nothing explicitly monarchist about it (except by mental association) and it has a lot of entrenched national brand recognition so there would be resistance to change. But I had an idea and I wanted to see how it looked.

    It is deliberately reminiscent of the current flag for the sake of recognition.
    The central symbol is a compass, which represents the maritime culture, exploration and international reach that has characterised its history and identity.
    The blue represents the ocean, boundless ambition and excellence, the white represents the coastline, snow and modern civilisation, and the red represents the land, courage and sacrifice. The overall layout suggests an island surrounded by ocean, but not isolated by it, as its influence radiates outwards like the points of the compass. Britain's legacy can be felt in every direction, e.g. the English language, scientists like Isaac Newton, modern capitalism, the Industrial Revolution and so on.
    The four main points represent the four Home Nations: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. The four lesser points represent the Crown Dependencies (what would these be renamed to?), Overseas Territories, Commonwealth nations and other allies. These are all connected to suggest glory in unity.
    The resemblance to the flag of NATO is also intentional.

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  18. AlvinTheCreator I have absolutely no idea what's going on.

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    People's Republic of Brazil (2nd Part to the Kingdom of Brazil Flag)
    The years immediate after the Peace of Paraná were not easy. After his ousting, dos Santos fled to British Guiana with his followers. He was still immensely popular among the low working class and the hundreds of thousands of slaves that still lived under subjugation in Brazil, and quickly assembled and trained an army of loyal supporters. He received support from socialist patrons in Argentina, Colombia and Portugal. The vacuum of power generated by the long absence of Pedro II led to the rise of factional militias and leaders, who even after the war continued to fight for power in the new legislative system. The King was forced to relinquish a great deal of his authority, compromising his ability to fight off the growing republican and laborite movements which were becoming increasingly popular among Brazil's urban elite. In Sao Paolo and Recife, for example, a social and artistic movement known as "Afonsonism" arguing the fact that a monarch was not divinely elected but drew power from his people (based closely on the English Enlightenment) was extremely popular and achieved several seats at the legislative assembly. The matter was only aggravated when news arrived that Pedro II would-be wife, Teresa Cristina of the Two Sicilies, had died while on her journey to Brazil from Italy after her boat was shipwrecked; this emotionally crushed Pedro II and forced him into a loveless marriage with Marie Gabriella of France. In 1849, they had a son; Ricardo, Prince Imperial, who was immediately groomed to be the King's successor.

    These events led to Pedro II having a severe heart attack just a year later in 1850. This prompted a regency under Marie Gabriella. The deal was, she was romantically attracted to Joao dos Santos: the two had met while dos Santos was studying political sciences in Paris, but refrained from marrying as Marie Gabriella was of noble birth and dos Santos was a commoner. The two kept a secret love correspondence as early as 1848, with the Queen consort signing as "R. Paola". She invited dos Santos to return to Brazil; he and an army of 50,000 marched onto Rio de Janeiro, and declared the "People's Republic of Brazil". He had Pedro II sent to Buenos Aires while still unconscious; upon waking up and realizing he had been dethroned, he subsequently had a mental breakdown. He recovered, however, and immediately set forth to Uruguay. Uniting the leftist factions and consolidating his reign, this time dos Santos kept the elites happy by allowing them a lucrative stake on Brazil's economy, while also expanding the rights of the common class (he couldn't liberate slaves, as this would alienate the wealthy upper class). By 1852, he held a strong grip in Brazil and had married Marie Gabriella, even though she never legally divorced Pedro II. Around this time, the monarch requested and received assistance from liberal entities in Argentina, the United States, Chile, Britain, Portugal and Mexico, who financially supported his exiled regime and sent supplies. In spring 1852, Pedro II met with several influential elites in Montevideo, who agreed to help the King organize a coup against dos Santos. The date was set for one of the most decisive confrontations in history.

    13 August, 1852. A group of Mexican, Argentine, Uruguayan and even American volunteers arrive at Sao Paolo, where they meet with Ruben Mateos, a wealthy rancher from Spain, who made his fortune dealing cattle in the southern Brazilian prairies. They had all posed as diplomatic envoys representing their native country; do Santos had organized a summit of countries in order to celebrate his wife's 28th birthday. They kidnapped the real envoys, stole their identification and made their way to the Casa do Mercado (or "Market House", a late-18th century residence built in Sao Paolo), where the meeting was held. The 14 "representatives", once do Santos and his wife entered the precinct, unfurled their weapons and gunned down the presidential guard. Pedro II then entered the room. However, members of the army caught wind of what was happening and opened fire at the Casa do Mercado with heavy cannons. The 14 royalist supporters retaliated while the King and do Santos battled it out in a mouse chase. Pedro II was then surrounded, and had since lost his revolver handgun. Just as do Santos was about to shoot him, the President was shot in the back of the head.

    Marie Gabriella stood behind him, with a carbine rifle.

    She knew that once Pedro II recovered the throne, nothing but death would await her for betraying the monarchy. Acting entirely on self-interest, she shot do Santos, seeking to regain the King's favor. The two kiss, but Pedro II quite literally stabs her in the back as she stood in her arms. Her lifeless body topples down. And, across the hall, a single cry is chanted over and over, stronger each time.
    "Long live Pedro II! Long live Pedro II!! LONG LIVE PEDRO II!!"

    How's that for a story! Might even develop it into a fully-fledged timeline. Thoughts?
     
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  19. WhiteDragon25 Well-Known Member

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    Huh, neat. I made my own versions of the Soviet SSR national flags a while back, but oddly enough I seem to have not posted them here in this thread:

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    Well that oversight is now fixed. Enjoy!
     
  20. Dorozhand Queer Maoist

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    All amazing work, though a little nationalistic for my taste. I much prefer agro and landform symbols or post-national one-people symbs. to pre-rev stuff.
     
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