Flag Thread IV

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by SaveAtlacamani, Apr 1, 2014.

  1. AlvinTheCreator I have absolutely no idea what's going on.

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    Federation of South Africa
    The need for allies in the African continent led to the creation of several puppet states in strategic regions, tasked with defending the several blind spots of the incredibly large Mittelafrika. The most important of these was the Federation of South Africa. Brought together from the former Union of South Africa, Southern Rhodesia, Bechuanaland, Basutoland and Swaziland, its creation was established in the Linz Conference and was carried out on 16 March, 1920, after a German-backed Boer rebellion ousted the transitional Republic of South Africa. The result was a unified Federation of South Africa: an authoritarian state under the absolute governance of Hansel de Kruger. The Dutch and Afrikaner minority in South Africa occupied the ruling, wealthy high class, while the black native population toiled like slaves in factories and plantations. The Germans maintained an active military presence, and indeed the South African economy was geared to be almost dependent on Germany. As a federation, South Africa was divided into several "autonomous" states with their own local leaders and assemblies; the democratic process, however, was a sham, as only those loyal to de Kruger are even allowed to participate at all. While there is strong resentment among the native population, the strong leadership of de Kruger, Germany's military help and the somewhat coinciding political divisions meant that the Federation of South Africa was relatively more stable than most other countries in the region.

    The flag, of course, features a tricolor similar to Germany's, only the black is in the lower part and instead of red you have orange: an obvious reference to the Dutch ruling elite.
     
  2. Filo Count of Santa Lucia

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    Oh, yes i see...i forgot a piece.
    The Blue background is, for what i know, the color of Brithis civil service and thus of the colonies.
     
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    Islamic States of America.
    In a recent future, after the crack of the USA, regions around the Great Lakes, where the majority of the population come from arab and/or islamic countries form a union vaguely based on the Shari'a but without forgetting rthe american democratic principles.
     
  4. SaveAtlacamani Zapatist-Arturoist Donor

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    Then the Saudi-Arabia like canton isn't fitting. A full-scale Shari'a based USA would use something different, and if it is Democratic-Islamic, it shouldn't use the Saudi flag as canton, either.
     
  5. The Professor Pontifex Collegii Vexillographiariorum

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    But it's not like that.
    See here for a description.
     
  6. The Professor Pontifex Collegii Vexillographiariorum

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  7. Dorozhand Queer Hedonistic Communist Kicked

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    While what they represent is repugnant, they are very sexy flags.
     
  8. Dorozhand Queer Hedonistic Communist Kicked

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    Flag of the Kingdom of Macedonia/Makedon, a state founded by rebels during the First Balkan War when Bulgaria was able to wrest land from the Ottoman Empire. The Bulgarian army made only limited success at first due to better Turkish defenses and was not able to break through the front. The rebellion of the Bulgarians and Greeks alike in the Aegean Makedonia helped turn the tide of the war in the orthodox powers' favor, and the new nation was recognized by Bulgaria and Serbia almost immediately, with Greece's recognition coming at the conclusion of the war, which added the Kingdom of Macedonia, or Makedon as some nationalists chose to call it, to the map of Europe. The state elected the ITTL disinherited Robert Maria Klemens Philipp Joseph of Württemberg as its king, who shocked and amused many by choosing to rule as Philip VII.

    The flag's colors are a recognition of the key part the Bulgarians played in the independence movement's success, in the manner that Serbians recognized Russian help and their Pan-Slavism in the flag of Serbia. The shield contains a field of black, representing rebellion in which is inscribed in blood-red the Cross of Veljusa. This device became famous as a regimental standard during the war of independence. The flag also has the odd ratio of 9:14

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  9. Filo Count of Santa Lucia

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    Onestly i have not planned a serious flag, and made it only for joke. Now, i feel i need to make something more interesting
     
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  10. Dorozhand Queer Hedonistic Communist Kicked

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    Alternate national flag of Macedonia; with a grey border to distinguish the white from the board color

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  11. AlvinTheCreator I have absolutely no idea what's going on.

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    Kingdom of India
    While the Indian subcontinent was certainly the shining jewel of the British Empire, and to the eyes of the world a limitless source of wealth and resources, the Germans knew direct colonial rule would bring about the Kaiser's very undoing, due to the state of absolute disarray that reigned India throughout the immediate postwar months. The Linz Conference offered a solution: dividing the region into several German puppets, with borders drawn along historical, social and geographic lines. The Kingdom of India was the largest of these, created in early 1919. It comprised the Hindu-majority areas, plus Nepal and Jammu and Kashmir. The Kingdom was in reality a collection of princely states under the rule of a monarch, the first of whom being Osman I, previously the Nizam of Hyderabad. Although the Kingdom was prosperous and relatively peaceful, ethnic conflict was widespread, and the different lords and princes jockeyed for positions of power in Osman I's court. German interference was absolute, and Osman I soon found himself relatively powerless. The Germans plundered the Kingdom's resources with little remorse, employing thousands of local Indians who lived in slave-like conditions. The rich high class was the Anglophone and German minorities; the rest usually lived in a state of horrendous poverty.
     
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  12. Dorozhand Queer Hedonistic Communist Kicked

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    Last thing for today. Variation with more detailed crown and inescutcheon COA of the House of Württemberg-Macedonia

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    I lied. One more variation. This one is less overtly drawn from the Bulgarian flag. The purple represents Macedonia's importance in the history of the Eastern Roman Empire and the legacy of the Macedonian dynasty, during which time Drama, the country's capital, became a major city.

    Speaking of which, ITTL the conclusion of the Balkan War gave Bulgaria control over northern Macedonia and the city of Thessaloniki, while the Kgdm. of Macedonia's border was established. Starting from Bulgarian Macedonia the border encompassed the town of Kilkis along with one of the two railroads leading south toward Thessaloniki, before curving southeastwards into the Chalkidiki to encompass the two lakes and Sithonia, but not Kassandras or Killikratias. In the east, the border encompassed the river Nestos, meeting the sea west of Xanthe, which was annexed by Bulgaria along with much of Thrace. With its capital at Drama, Macedonia was a small country and did not interfere much with Bulgarian shipping, nor did it occupy the most important ports in the region, although the kingdom does have access to significant mineral deposits and tobacco fields.

    ITTL Bulgaria has still more than accomplished its war aims and for the time being allows Macedonia to exist as a trusted ally and buffer state between it and Greece.

    As for what happens after that, Serbia and Bulgaria or Greece and Bulgaria will likely go to war in the near future and Macedonia will have to choose a side. Likely, this side will be Bulgaria's, but whether they can survive Bulgaria losing the Second Balkan War I am not sure. If Bulgaria wins, then Macedonia will probably be in great shape. If the First World War still rolls around on schedule (unlikely, especially with a Bulgarian victory, but not inconceivable), then Macedonia may well join the Central Powers, which will lock them into the CP's fate. It may yet survive though. Another thing I could imagine is Macedonia remaining neutral like Greece, and then join the allies when or if the Salonika invasion happens. they could then possibly gain territory at Bulgaria's expense. Perhaps in the post-war world Macedonia would try to repair relations with Germany and Bulgaria and lean towards an allo-Axis if Germany still turns to revanchism.

    Here's the variant with purple. I'm not sure which I like better.

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    An in-universe graphic breaking down the design of the US flag.
     
  15. The Professor Pontifex Collegii Vexillographiariorum

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    Colours work, proportions good, and relevant symbology. Well done.
    You could get away with increasing the white stripe so the blue is a square and thinning the white ring but perfection isn't necessarily realistic :winkytongue:
     
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    Nazi version at The Man in the high castle world.

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    An Irish flag for the Irish land, because why the feck not?

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  18. AlvinTheCreator I have absolutely no idea what's going on.

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    Hellenic People's Republic
    The Greek Question was, by all accounts, a source of contention between the winning powers of the Great War. The hyper-nationalistic Ottoman camp sought to annex the kingdom all together into the Turkish empire, while the moderates sought simple subjugation into suzerainty. The Bulgarians also wanted Greek territory, while the Ottomans themselves had ideas of their own when it came to Bulgaria's position. The issue was resolved in July 1917, when Greece officially surrendered. The Treaty of Varna concluded peace in the Balkan Front; since Germany was unwilling to provide none of the other victors too much power, it was declared that both Turkey and Bulgaria would receive minor territorial concessions, while the rest of Greece would simply be financially and militarily burdened. The growing waves of communist thinking in France and Britain influenced the ideology of several defeated nations, mainly Greece. The crippling humiliation and devastating economic reparations crushed the people's morale; King Alexander was dethroned after a series of communist protests that escalated into a revolution around August. This led to the outburst of the Greek Civil War (1917-1918) between monarchists and the newly-formed Hellenic People's Party. The swift war led to a communist victory, and by early 1918, the Hellenic People's Republic was established. It supported communist efforts in Spain, France and Britain, and became a key player in Balkan affairs there after.

    The flag is different from traditional socialist emblems. It features the delta, the third letter of the Greek alphabet, which stands for Demokratia, which means both "democracy" and "republic". This is also the symbol of Hellenic communism: a natively-Greek branch of communism.
     
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  19. AlvinTheCreator I have absolutely no idea what's going on.

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    Malagasy Federation
    A latter effect of the highly ineffective communist administration over the colonial of France was an incredible spike in economic abuse as the French coffers ran low. Industrial output was severely affected by the socialist policies, which minimized profits and created a very unstable administration. Paris needed a way to offset these losses, and they quickly turned to Africa. Native workers were brutally oppressed, forced to labor in plantations and manufacture facilities. By the late 20's, some 50 million workers had been killed throughout French Africa due to this inhumane program. The colonial administration was also very ineffective: local governors enforced their rules through violence and bloody repression. This mixture of social discomfort led to a nationalistic revival among the native community. In the spring of 1929, when sowing season began and authorities renewed their violent practices, a general revolt spread. The Malagasy War of Independence (1929-1930) was brief yet decisive, as the French had placed few troops in Madagascar and replenishment was difficult (supplies had to go around the African continent, as the Suez Canal had been blocked). Pierre Rabetsara, a former plantation worker, led the revolution, and after the French were expelled, declared the Malagasy Federation in early 1930, with him as President. Although ideas of democracy and justice were at the forefront of the revolutionary struggle, Rabetsara quickly overrode the young Constitution and led the country down a path of authoritarianism and fascism.

    The flag features the Ravenala, a broad palm tree and a symbol of Madagascar (which can also be found in OTL state seal of Madagascar). The red saltire symbolizes the unity forged by the sacrifice of those who died before and during the war of independence; the green represents nature and peace, while the golden border means wealth for all and the diversity of the Federation.
     
  20. Pokemon Master What's it to you?

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    Next up is Arkansas. The only real change I made here was removing the text and adding another star. Here, the four blue stars on the edges represent the four nations that have historically laid claim to Arkansas: France, Spain, the Confederacy, and the United States. The central blue star represents the state of Arkansas itself.

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