Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by SaveAtlacamani, Apr 1, 2014.
This covers the last of the countries on the map I posted last week.
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Improved Russian Civil War-era Khazar flag. The four quarters represent the four directions in Turkic culture, with the Stars of David representing Judaism, symbolising that Jews everywhere are united by their mutual religion and culture and Khazar solidarity with other Jewish groups.
The Flag for this nation. White Cross over blue for Greeks, white crescent on a red field for Turks, red and blue along with the white cross for the Slavs while the stars represent the peoples living in the Federation. the current ten stand for the Turks, the Greeks, the Kurdish, the Bulgarians, the Serbians, the Bosnians, the Croatians, the Albanians and the Arabs.
These flags all pertain to the various nations in this world:
The Republic of Hefenfelth.
The Republic of Ciel d'Largent.
People's Commonwealth of SúÞecg (Pronounced Suthecg)
I'll make some more for the Kloof, New Nihon and the Bank of Vernon at a later date.
To be honest that looks like a flag for a Jewish China honestly due to the color similarities of the flag.
Republic of the Barbary Coast (Alternate Barbary War)
The flag of the Workingmen's Federation of America (name pending), the product of a successfully secessionist North that soon turned from the abolition of chattel slavery to that of wage, prison, and debt slavery as well. It's from a timeline I'm working on with @kissatytto which among other things involves a lasting State of Muskogee.
The nine stripes are for the nine out of thirteen original colonies that seceded (Delaware, which ended up annexing its entire peninsula, and everything north); the red is for the blood spilled in the Wars for Independence, and by slaves and wage laborers alike before the (relatively peaceful) Second Revolution; the white is for the hope of a peaceful present and future; the blue is for harmonious coexistence of all races, religions, and professions; and the arm-and-hammer is of course an old socialist symbol, representing the labor upon which the nation relies to function.
Comments etc welcome as ever.
so...worker's control of the baking soda?
Flag of Iraq based on a flag proposed during the American occupation.
Concept for a Novorossiya flag.
A few flags I made for Kaiserreich's Combined Syndicates of America (as of Progress Report 56):
CSA, now with 250% more liquefied nationalism--thirteen stripes for the "Old Revolution," Old Glory's color scheme, and a Betsy Ross-style circle of stars. To balance it out, I added the gear, torch, sheave of wheat, and sickle blade, traditional symbols of syndicalism and socialism. The gear and circle of stars has one tooth/star for each original seceding state: New York City, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, West Virginia, and Minnesota.
The previous flag, but with a red and black color scheme so it looks a bit more Syndicalist. Admittedly, it now looks like the syndicalist answer to the Galactic Empire.
A more simple (read: bland and boring) variant of the CSA flag. It sticks to what works: the red and black field bordered by white, a gear, the IWW half-globe, and a red star. The gear was reused from the previous flags, and thus has the same symbolism. I wasn't keen on using the Hammer and Torch because I felt like it's been used to the point of exhaustion in a lot of alternate KR flags.
Feedback is appreciated, especially for the first two; I was worried the center of those flags have too many devices and feels cluttered.
The first and third flags look really good, but I do agree with your worries as at full flag scales the central device (wheat sheaf-torch-sickle) fades into unintelligibility. Maybe focus on one of those and see if it works better.
A trick that I use to check it is to make the image a several centimetres high and then stand at the other end of the room, as that can give a better idea of what it would look like than when you're working at a desk.
I used the flag waving simulator to check if the device works out. Far as I can see it works well enough, but I'm biased about it and all.
I think the issue here is that the wheat sheaf-torch-sickle thing is too small in relation to the rest of the flag. Push comes to shove, I can always remove the circle of stars and have the device fill up the now-empty space--though I'd be really bummed out since I spent like three hours getting the pattern to work on Inkscape lol
In any case, I did the necessary corrections and Flag 1 looks like this now:
I was thinking of relocating the stars to the gaps between the gear's teeth, though I'm concerned that will clutter the center just as much as the original did.
You're right about the size of the wheat sheaf-torch-sickle device; I think that this looks better than the previous one.
It's often the case that you'll have to kill things you've been working on for hours. I've no idea how many hours I've spent working on flags/maps before realising that something just isn't working and trying different things. Also, are you talking about the circle of stars or the central device as a whole when you mentioned how long you'd spent working at it?
I think you should at least see what it looks like to have the stars between the gear teeth. If you do, maybe try enlarging the outer white border around the gear, so that there's a bit more room for the stars and they aren't as small as might be worried about.
The circle of stars strictly--tracing and resizing the central device took less than thirty minutes.
Inkscape has a lot of recondite features that ruin your day if you don't pay attention to them
I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the input!
One last submission for the day before I get back to making the rest of the set:
This is my redesign of William Dudley Pelley's Silver Legion flag. In Kaiserreich, the American Union State can get him as a leader in a coup d'etat against Huey Long by the end of the Civil War. I was dissatisfied with the OTL flag, since it was more-or-less just a silver field with a red L on the canton.
This new-and-improved version (debatable, of course) features a crucifix-sword merged with the Legion's L, with a crown on top of the hilt. On top of the crown, in turn, are nine stars, one for each of the nine original states of the AUS: South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and North Texas.
I have to admit, the flag was... influenced heavily by the symbols of certain white supremacist groups active in the US. I felt it would be appropriate to integrate some of them onto this flag's design, with Pelley being a white supremacist himself and all. As a disclaimer, I do not condone their actions, nor do I share their opinions and beliefs--my interest in their symbols lay purely for the purposes of creating this flag alone.
That aside, I noticed most fascist movements have simplistic flags. Codreanu's Iron Guard flag, for example, only has a black pound sign on a green field, sometimes with a white cross behind the pound. Similarly, Mosley's British Union of Fascists flag only has a roundel with a thunderbolt on the center of a red field. Is the crown and stars too much for the Silver Legion flag, given its contemporaries?
Yeah, it would certainly benefit from a decent read-me.
Happy to help.
I think this works well as a flag. In the case of the typical fascist armband, I don't think this works well.
I suspect most fascist groups favoured simple designs because they worked well on an armband, probably based on the armlets used in military uniforms.
I like the version with stars better. Perhaps replace the central emblem with just a white star? The ring of red stars and cog help provide socialist symbolism.
The flag would look like Fallout America's, though. Would be wrong to desecrate such a sacred symbol with Communist imagery! :V
In my very biased opinion, the wheat sheave-torch-sickle thing is the "unique" part of the flag, a compromise between the penchant to add the national seal and good flag design (lol). Throwing it away kinda feels like throwing out the baby with the bathwater, know what I mean?
@UrbanNight suggested to add the stars in between the teeth of the gear instead, so the stars can still be included while keeping the centermost device prominent. I'll see how that works out later.
I came up with the idea of reimagining the symbol for the Dark Anarchy Society/DAS from the Irem games, of which I'm considering to be a possible inclusion for my Metal Slug TL (I bring this up because if the Ikari Warriors, including the ones made for the King of Fighters games, made part of the MS canon, so can the ones from some of the Irem games, after all some of the staff worked on said games before making the first MS, long story though). The previous symbol looked mediocre and more fitting for an Anarchist-Communist group with Islamist leanings (or some edgy band) than some organization that's somewhat insanely nihilistic, though their economic stance is vague.
Anyway, while the red symbol and white outline are still retained, they're both on a black background to symbolize their anarchist leanings and of course the symbol in question is a stylized Chinese character (合) for "together" (to fit with in the above-mentioned games' habit of having East Asian influence of which I'm quite down with it; that and the insanely globalized nature of the TL in question). Though this flag is a WIP and frankly the logo looks like a military rank than anything, but what do you think?
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