Flag Challenge Poll #21

[Augustus Montes]

Here is the original challenge and here is the Disscussion and Entry Thread. Begin voting!!

Flag #1

Following the German surrender to the Americans in Berlin in 1945, with the Anglo-American allies thoroughly dissatisfied regarding the conduct of the two continental powers, the area of the soon-to-be UPCE (a misnomer yes, though when the name and flag were adopted the area beyond the Iron Curtain was deemed outside of 'Europe') were set aside and a new sovereign state was created. Modelled on the United Provinces of the Netherlands, the constituent regions enjoy considerable autonomy, with the federal level of government having responsibility for Currency and Treasury, International Relations and Trade, and Defense.

The flag was adopted in 1951 after a nation-wide contest and referendum. The traditional colours and tri-colour pattern were generally rejected by designers. The symbol of the lion from many of the regions included (Netherlands, Belgium, Lotharingia of the past, etc.) was kept however, reworked so the king-of-beasts is in a defensive yet vigilant posture, looking out over the borders (the fly).

The UPCE remains an irritant to France and Germany, a staunch ally of Britain and America, and a vibrant, multi-cultural society.

Flag #2

Flag for the Democratic Republic of Lortharingia

After Operation Barbarossa failed to bring the USSR to it's knees, as Stalin had heeded the advice of Richard Sorge, and took the necessary precautions in order to meet the attack, it was met by a powerful well cordinated counter attack on all fronts, massacring German soldiers, and pushing the Germans back at the end of 1942. By the end of 1943, the Soviet Union was entering occupied France, or what was left of it and it's occupiers. Spain had long since joined the allies, and an attack on occupied France was also underway. However, the USSR had already pushed over most over Europe, including all of the Balkans and Central Europe, and had split the Italian Peninsula with American Forces to the south.

Finally, in 1944, Germanys last Field Marshall and his forces were captured, and he forced to admit defeat at the Treaty of Strasbourg. It was here that borders were disscussed and argued between democracy and communism, and finally decided. Soviet Soldiers would be marching back as far as 150 kilometers to newly created occupation areas. The far west Soviet Xone was known as the Lortharingian Zone, and would later go on to unite the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and slivers of France and Germany as the Democratic Republic of Lortharingia.

Flag #3

Commonwealth of Lorthanringia

Flag #4

I had imagined this for a surviving Spanish Netherlands, but it kinda fits this contest.
The colours and the Burgundy cross are taken from the alleged Spanish Netherlands flag, but this is a vertical republican tricolour.
Incidentally the colours fits Alsace and Lorraine as well.

Flag #5

After WW2 it was decided by the British and Americans that a barrier must be placed between France and Germany. At first called Lotharingia during the early developement of the state, this nation would come to call itself De Australasië Confederatie (The Confederation of Australasia). Made up of the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, a renewed Republic of Alsace-Lorraine, and the West Rhineland*. The remaining portions of the American, British, and French Zones would be rejoined to form the Republic of Germany...

...In 1952 the UN's International Court of Justice was established in Luxenbourg City. Luxembourg City was chosen after the European Coal and Steel Community institutions, known today as the European Court of Justice, chose to have their seat in Liège...

...It is ironic that the CA was formed as a bulwark against a once powerful Germany from conquering western Europe with the threat of Communism to the East and the Iron Curtain that fell across much of Europe...

* West Rhineland is made up of parts of Baden-Wurttemberg and North Rhine Westphalia together with Saarland and Rhineland-Palatinate.


The flag of the CA has the French blue and German Gold divided by a white trapezoid. The white trapezoid is representative of a new light in Europe after the Second World War and can be thought of as a search light seeking peace. It has also come to be known as a line across Europe, with the sword representing strength of a united nation.

Flag #6

Flag of the Confederation of Lorraine (known as Lothringen in German and Dutch). The Confederation's three official languages - Dutch, French and German are represented by the colours orange, blue and yellow respectively in the flag. The diagonal stripe design is 'in between' France's vertical stripes and German's horizontal stripes, with the direction of the stripe the same as the flag of French Lorraine. The while 'stripe' is 'half' of the Cross of Burgundy - the last entity to rule (most) of the land covered by the Confederation. The six 'barbs' on the cross can also represent the six states that make up the Confederation - Alsace-Lorraine, Belgium, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Rhineland and Saarland.

Flag #7

The flag of the Federal Republic of Lotharingia (officially unfurled for the first time on May 8, 1947 - the second anniversary of V-E Day):

Flag #8

The Lotharingian Confederation was the first suggested name for the union of states, designed along federal lines inspired by the USA, to form a buffer between France and Germany following World War II.

The name was unpopular among the peoples of the suggested new state, many feeling that it was too backward-looking, while they wanted to look to the future. In the competitions organised to design a flag, there was a similar will to break away from designs of the past, and to promote the concept of 'unity in diversity' which underpinned the nascent state.

The name which drew most support initially was Union of European Nations and States, but this had its critics for its unwieldiness, and once a shorter version had been proposed, ironically by the British Prime Minister, Sir Winston Churchill, it stuck: the new state would be known as the European Union.

The flag eventually chosen drew on the colours of the states that formed it, but in a new and radically different design:

Flag #9

I really don't like 'national' flags with heraldic devices on them, but this time I've yielded to temptation. Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg have used the Lion, Germany and France the Eagle ..... so why not use that fabled composite beast the Gryphon/Griffin? OK so a bit of licence as Le Coq is probably more relevant to the 20th Century, but the French Empires did use the Eagle.

The flag incorporates colours on the flags of the constituent regions (nations in OTL).

Flag #10

The Flag of Lotharingia combined the colors of the Belgian and Dutch (and incidentally, the French and German) flags with the diagonality and symbols of Alsace and Lorraine to create the new nation's flag.