Feudal Japan Ideas

Tredecimus

This thread should serve as a repository for any alternate history ideas that revolves around the era of samurai rule in Japan, from the Genpei War (or earlier) up to Sekigahara (and beyond).

Let's get this going and post some ideas.
 

BBadolato

I hate to shamelessly plug but Oda Nobunaga losing Okehzama and having the Oda get nipped in the bud is one idea. Alternatively, you could have the Honnoji incident never happen and the Oda go on to unite Japan. With Sekigahara itself, you could have Kobayakawa decide to stay with the Western Army and possibly see the Toyotomi continue as a power.
 
oshron

oshron

one thing i've been meaning to look into is what a Meiji-like transition taking place in the late 13th century could look like, though it's for a direct fantasy story (it is set in feudal Japan, though :p). i even got a few books recently to learn more about the Meiji era to the end of writing more on this setting.
 

darthfanta

oshron said:
one thing i've been meaning to look into is what a Meiji-like transition taking place in the late 13th century could look like, though it's for a direct fantasy story (it is set in feudal Japan, though :p). i even got a few books recently to learn more about the Meiji era to the end of writing more on this setting.
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A more permanent Kenmu restoration would be interesting.
 
oshron

oshron

Kenmu Restoration, huh? i'll have to look into that--a quick reading shows that it might actually fit well into the last part of the story, which coincidentally is supposed to be set right around when it began
 

CountPeter

I have no idea how you would go about it but a greater ikko-ikki uprising would be interesting. Win or lose, if it became large enough it would have really interesting repercussions.
 

zeppelinair

oshron said:
one thing i've been meaning to look into is what a Meiji-like transition taking place in the late 13th century could look like, though it's for a direct fantasy story (it is set in feudal Japan, though :p). i even got a few books recently to learn more about the Meiji era to the end of writing more on this setting.
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Most likely earlier invasion of Korea, I suppose. Can't see anything similar to industrialisation seen in Meiji era occurring. A stronger Confucianisation of Japan is a very interesting scenario, however.
 
oshron

oshron

zeppelinair said:
Most likely earlier invasion of Korea, I suppose. Can't see anything similar to industrialisation seen in Meiji era occurring. A stronger Confucianisation of Japan is a very interesting scenario, however.
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well obviously not industrialization :p--the idea was more the social changes of the Meiji period, particularly the decline of the samurai and "sword police" being adopted (i found the term jittemochi while looking into Imperial Japanese law enforcement a long time ago now and have used that in favor of some "low-born" characters--more plausible than them being actual samurai) and the conflicts that arise from this. in the end, it'll probably include some facsimile of the Satsuma Rebellion, but since both sides are on equal technological footing here....
 

star lord 7

I wanna see...

I have always loved the idea of the Dutch getting in real good with a Tokugawa Shogunate that doesn't turn it's back on the world, and have the two buddy up for a nice Dutch-Japanese Wank.

The idea of having samurai adopt gun technology wholesale is too good to pass up in any form.

Lastly, how cool would it be for the Japanese to develop a strong naval/exploratory tradition and get them to the Americas, either the Pacific NW or the kingdoms of Mexico?
 

Noblesse Oblige

I'd like to see a clan other than the big three unifiers (Oda, Hashiba/Toyotomi, Tokugawa) claim the shogunate, though with so many potential clans, it's a lot harder than it sounds.
 
Historyman 14

Historyman 14

star lord 7 said:
I have always loved the idea of the Dutch getting in real good with a Tokugawa Shogunate that doesn't turn it's back on the world, and have the two buddy up for a nice Dutch-Japanese Wank.

The idea of having samurai adopt gun technology wholesale is too good to pass up in any form.

Lastly, how cool would it be for the Japanese to develop a strong naval/exploratory tradition and get them to the Americas, either the Pacific NW or the kingdoms of Mexico?
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I like both ideas very much.
 
EmperorOfTheNorthSea

EmperorOfTheNorthSea

I was always fond of the Idea of Tokugawa Ieyasu converting to Christianity, the implications of a Christian Japan are interesting to think about; how civil wars would develop, how both sides would take Legitimacy by either being pro-Christian or anti-Christian.


I also remember a thread where someone was talking about the possibility of a warlord retreating to Hokkaido or the Islands north of there and developing a local superpower that extended into Siberia and had knowledge of Alaska.


And another thing is that in the XV and XVI centuries there was fear in Japan of the Ainu being aided by the Ming to come into Japan and establish a conqueror dynasty, while I doubt such a thing could be successful seeing something like that being tried would be interesting.
 

Zireael

What reason the Chinese would have to share their secrets with the "eastern devils"?

star lord 7 said:
I have always loved the idea of the Dutch getting in real good with a Tokugawa Shogunate that doesn't turn it's back on the world, and have the two buddy up for a nice Dutch-Japanese Wank.

The idea of having samurai adopt gun technology wholesale is too good to pass up in any form.
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This so much!

star lord 7 said:
Lastly, how cool would it be for the Japanese to develop a strong naval/exploratory tradition and get them to the Americas, either the Pacific NW or the kingdoms of Mexico?
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There was recently a thread on this, and the consensus is not bloody likely, or rather, requires a change of mentality on an ASB level. Apart from Goryeo, the Japanese weren't interested in colonies, exploration or sea travel.
 
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