Ferdinand I/V of Austria born healthy

Another Austrian query, this time on the eldest son of Francis II/I.

Ferdinand I/V of Austria was born in 1793, and ruled as Emperor of Austria from 1835 till his abdication in 1848. He governed with the help of a regency council, due to his illness, which meant he had twenty seizures a day etc. However, he was said to be quite charming and had a sharp wit.

What consequences could there have been if he was born without his illness, and was fertile, and consequently was able to rule on his own, whilst maintaining his charm and his wit?

Who might he have married, his otl wife? If they'd have had children, or even otherwise, would he have abdicated when 1848 came around, if indeed events happened as they did otl, ttl?
 
Dom João VI of Portugal wanted a double mariege,his heir D.Pedro I(Brazil) with Archduchess Leopoldina and her daughter princess Isabel with Ferdinand I,he only got Leopoldina.
 
So likely here Isabel marries Ferdinand?
Yes,but Mattetnich only acepted to marry Leopoldina to D.Pedro I,he sad to vicount Marialva that Ferdinand already have a mariage plan.I guess you could have a nice POD with the double marriage.Mind you that Leopoldina was absolute essential for a united independent kingdom of Brazil,without her Brazil probably shatters just like the Spanish american colonies!
 
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Yes,but Mattetnich only acepted to marry Leopoldina to D.Pedro I,me sad to vicount Marialva that Ferdinand already have a mariage plano.I guess you could have a nice POD with the double marriage.Mind you that Leopoldina was absolute essential for a united independent kingdom of Brazil,without her Brazil probably shatters just like the Spanish american colonies!
Alright interesting when might such a marriage occur?
 
Alright interesting when might such a marriage occur?

Possibly around the same time, not sure if @nandalf's referring to the OTL queen of Spain (b.1797) or her sister (also called Isabel), (b.1801). But the first wed in 1816, and when Leopoldina came to Brasil (1817) the younger was 16yo. We know that both were fertile, since Maria Isabel, queen of Spain had two daughters by Fernando VII, one who died young and the other (which killed her) being stillborn; while Isabel was offered by her father first for the duc de Berri, and when that failed, to the prince de Condé (not sure if Louis V, whose second wife died in 1813 or Louis VI, who was separated from his wife since 1780, but the lady was still living). Talks were going reasonably well until somehow, the French ambassador heard about Isabel's bastard daughter, Virginia Carlota. Let's just say the French didn't take as well to that as Fernando VII did (Francisca, Countess of Molina, anxious to prevent a match between Fernando and Maria Cristina, told him that Maria Cristina had already had a child by a page/equerry. Fernando's response: "What? She can HAVE children? Send for her at once!") and the French match foundered. AFAIK, Isabel was allowed to raise Virginia privately, but her reputation as "fallen" scuttled any marriage talks for the future. Likewise, unlike her younger sister, Ana de Jesus (who got knocked up by the duque de Loulé who then married her), Virginia's dad was a common soldier, Johann Friedrich Christoph Gerstlächer, in the royal household IIRC.
 
Possibly around the same time, not sure if @nandalf's referring to the OTL queen of Spain (b.1797) or her sister (also called Isabel), (b.1801). But the first wed in 1816, and when Leopoldina came to Brasil (1817) the younger was 16yo. We know that both were fertile, since Maria Isabel, queen of Spain had two daughters by Fernando VII, one who died young and the other (which killed her) being stillborn; while Isabel was offered by her father first for the duc de Berri, and when that failed, to the prince de Condé (not sure if Louis V, whose second wife died in 1813 or Louis VI, who was separated from his wife since 1780, but the lady was still living). Talks were going reasonably well until somehow, the French ambassador heard about Isabel's bastard daughter, Virginia Carlota. Let's just say the French didn't take as well to that as Fernando VII did (Francisca, Countess of Molina, anxious to prevent a match between Fernando and Maria Cristina, told him that Maria Cristina had already had a child by a page/equerry. Fernando's response: "What? She can HAVE children? Send for her at once!") and the French match foundered. AFAIK, Isabel was allowed to raise Virginia privately, but her reputation as "fallen" scuttled any marriage talks for the future. Likewise, unlike her younger sister, Ana de Jesus (who got knocked up by the duque de Loulé who then married her), Virginia's dad was a common soldier, Johann Friedrich Christoph Gerstlächer, in the royal household IIRC.
Ah I see so around the same time then?
 
With perhaps four or five children resulting from the the marriage

Her mom had ten pregnancies, plus 2-3 ( in 1812/3, 1816 and 1820) that ended in stillbirths/miscarriages, that even if they had produced live kids, Joao VI wouldn't have accepted paternity (since he was doubtful about the duchess of Loule beinghis daughter.

His parents were double first cousins, and had 12 kids. So did you mean like 10-12 kids/pregnancies of which 4-5 survive? Or that Ferdinand and Isabel just dislike each other so conjugal relations are sporadic?
 
Her mom had ten pregnancies, plus 2-3 ( in 1812/3, 1816 and 1820) that ended in stillbirths/miscarriages, that even if they had produced live kids, Joao VI wouldn't have accepted paternity (since he was doubtful about the duchess of Loule beinghis daughter.

His parents were double first cousins, and had 12 kids. So did you mean like 10-12 kids/pregnancies of which 4-5 survive? Or that Ferdinand and Isabel just dislike each other so conjugal relations are sporadic?
Oh sorry was meaning that they likely have four or five kids who survive
 
Aha how So?

Lol, I just mean based on the portraits. She appears definitely more attractive than the Portuguese candidate. Geopolitics wise, the line of thinking maybe closer relations with Sardinia-Piedmont especially if the heir to Austria is half Savoyard. But I seriously doubt that'll contain the ambitions of the House of Savoy.
 
Lol, I just mean based on the portraits. She appears definitely more attractive than the Portuguese candidate. Geopolitics wise, the line of thinking maybe closer relations with Sardinia-Piedmont especially if the heir to Austria is half Savoyard. But I seriously doubt that'll contain the ambitions of the House of Savoy.

This is very true, and they did seem to care for one another otl. Could they perhaps marry in the 1820s, instead of the 1830s
 
This is very true, and they did seem to care for one another otl. Could they perhaps marry in the 1820s, instead of the 1830s

In one of @Neptune's aborted TLs they married reasonably earlier when Ferdinand wasn't constrained by his health. Plus, her sisters are the duchess of Modena and Parma-Lucca and queen of the Two Sicilies, so Austria was basically getting three alliances with non-Habsburg states (Savoy, Lucca and Naples) for the price of one.
 
In one of @Neptune's aborted TLs they married reasonably earlier when Ferdinand wasn't constrained by his health. Plus, her sisters are the duchess of Modena and Parma-Lucca and queen of the Two Sicilies, so Austria was basically getting three alliances with non-Habsburg states (Savoy, Lucca and Naples) for the price of one.

I remember that, was quite the bonus. Would a Savoyard marriage be preferable to a Braganza marriage?
 
I remember that, was quite the bonus. Would a Savoyard marriage be preferable to a Braganza marriage?

It would certainly be more in line with Austria's interests, not to mention that the Bragança princesses coming from Brasil (based on their brothers upbringings) are going to have the same problem fitting in Vienna as Sisi did OTL. Then there's the other thing, a generation later when Francisca of Brasil arrived in France to marry the prince de Joinville, the first thing she asked for to eat was parrot soup! I can just see the snobs among the Viennese aristocracy tittering and laughing behind their fans at their future empress.
 
It would certainly be more in line with Austria's interests, not to mention that the Bragança princesses coming from Brasil (based on their brothers upbringings) are going to have the same problem fitting in Vienna as Sisi did OTL. Then there's the other thing, a generation later when Francisca of Brasil arrived in France to marry the prince de Joinville, the first thing she asked for to eat was parrot soup! I can just see the snobs among the Viennese aristocracy tittering and laughing behind their fans at their future empress.

Alrighty, so Savoyard marriage it is then.
 
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