Ferdinand I dies in 1510

Ferdinand I the future holy roman emperor dies in 1510. Does Charles v marry Anna of Hungary or his otl wife? Who rules the Austrian herditarry lands and Holy Roman Empire while Charles is in Spain or somewhere? What if Charles only has one legitament son like otl? What happens to the Hapsburg empire?
 
Ferdinand I the future holy roman emperor dies in 1510. Does Charles v marry Anna of Hungary or his otl wife? Who rules the Austrian herditarry lands and Holy Roman Empire while Charles is in Spain or somewhere? What if Charles only has one legitament son like otl? What happens to the Hapsburg empire?

Well, as long as Maximilian lives (OTL until 1519) he will rule in Austria, obviously. I think that he will still be very interested in marrying his grandson (in this case Charles) to Anna of Hungary to secure the peace with the Hungarians. From the PoD in 1510 to 1517 Charles was educated in Brabant at the court of his Aunt Margaret. IOW he is not in a position to refuse. The marriage might even happen when Maximilian is still alive.

Now the childless early death of Louis II of Hungary and Bohemia is rather coincidental. He will be defeated by the Ottomans, probably, but not necessarily killed. Louis and his heirs residing in Prague with a secondary Hungarian court in Poszony might become the new normal of this TL.

One obvious result is that Philipp II no longer exists. I do not know whether the marriage treaty between the houses of Habsburg and Jagiello have a clause where the children are raised, but I doubt that rasing the eldest son in Spain is possible.

From 1520 onwards, Charles will be Emperor Charles V. of the HRE.
A TL writer is free to decide how many children of Charles and Anna there will be. OTL, Anna (and Ferdinand) had 15 kids, most of them surviving to adulthood.

Charles has certainly the right to divide his territories among his sons, but OTL he didn't, because he had but one legitimate son and heir.

BTW, in these times the hereditary Habsburg lands were traditionally divided in three parts: "Lower" Austria (the Archduchy, residence Vienna), "Inner" Austria (Styria, Carinthia, Carniola, Littoral, residence Graz) and "Upper" Austria (Tyrol and Further Austria with Württemberg, residence Innsbruck). For almost a decade, Ferdinand preferred Innsbruck over Vienna.

Basically, this is a PoD where the writer has lots of liberties because little is set in stone.
 
Well, as long as Maximilian lives (OTL until 1519) he will rule in Austria, obviously. I think that he will still be very interested in marrying his grandson (in this case Charles) to Anna of Hungary to secure the peace with the Hungarians. From the PoD in 1510 to 1517 Charles was educated in Brabant at the court of his Aunt Margaret. IOW he is not in a position to refuse. The marriage might even happen when Maximilian is still alive.

Now the childless early death of Louis II of Hungary and Bohemia is rather coincidental. He will be defeated by the Ottomans, probably, but not necessarily killed. Louis and his heirs residing in Prague with a secondary Hungarian court in Poszony might become the new normal of this TL.

One obvious result is that Philipp II no longer exists. I do not know whether the marriage treaty between the houses of Habsburg and Jagiello have a clause where the children are raised, but I doubt that rasing the eldest son in Spain is possible.

From 1520 onwards, Charles will be Emperor Charles V. of the HRE.
A TL writer is free to decide how many children of Charles and Anna there will be. OTL, Anna (and Ferdinand) had 15 kids, most of them surviving to adulthood.

Charles has certainly the right to divide his territories among his sons, but OTL he didn't, because he had but one legitimate son and heir.

BTW, in these times the hereditary Habsburg lands were traditionally divided in three parts: "Lower" Austria (the Archduchy, residence Vienna), "Inner" Austria (Styria, Carinthia, Carniola, Littoral, residence Graz) and "Upper" Austria (Tyrol and Further Austria with Württemberg, residence Innsbruck). For almost a decade, Ferdinand preferred Innsbruck over Vienna.

Basically, this is a PoD where the writer has lots of liberties because little is set in stone.
Interesting. How about one scenario where Louis still dies and one where he lives because one of Maximilian's grandsons marrying Anna seems like the only given. Also who will rule Austria and the empire when Charles is off in anthor part of his empire and max dead
 
In a scenario where Charles marries Anna and she inherits Hungary-Bohemia like OTL that greatly shifts the weight of the Habsburg Dynasty back East so it remains centered on Germany. Charles will be unlikely to move his court to Spain because that would put him far away from his largest European block of territory and away from his Grandest Title. The Castillian Cortes will not like that at all.

In this case Charles will likely have to divide his inheritance amongst sons at Spanish Insistence. Hopefully Anna will give him more children, because trying to rule this entire mess from a single court will likely fail.

Alternatively, Ferdinand of Aragon had been trying to get a different Male Heir to avoid Aragon passing to Charles, with the PoD before his death he might succeed. Castile in this case may rebel. Since Ferdinand does in theory have a claim to Castile from King John I of Castile, they may try to make him King of Castile. Since he has also technically been King of Castile, that probably succeeds.

This relegates the Habsburgs to their OTL Austrian Lands, Bohemia-Hungary, the Burgundian Inheritance, and depending on how the chips fall, the Duchy of Milan. While on Paper this looks like a reduction in power, they avoid becoming the Unavoidable Enemy of France, don't have the Naval Rivalry with England, may keep the Netherlands, and in general have a much more coherent set of territories.
 
Interesting. How about one scenario where Louis still dies and one where he lives because one of Maximilian's grandsons marrying Anna seems like the only given.

Mohacs changes a lot.
In OTL, Ferdinand succeeded in october 1526 in Bohemia (+ Moravia, Silesia, Lusatia), but the succession in Hungary was more difficult. Most nobles had elected John Zapolya as new king. It took Ferdinand a long time to settle this conflict.
If there is no F, either Charles has to give up his Hungarian claims (unlikely) or he will be distracted from what he did OTL - the war aginst France and in Italy.
IOW, with Ferdinand and Louis dead, Charles is in serious danger of overstretch and losses on various fronts.

Louis surviving might actually help the Habsburg cause. At least if a near-death experience and defeat at Mohacs helps in making him cautious.
 
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Also who will rule Austria and the empire when Charles is off in anthor part of his empire and max dead

Expect the Reichsregiment (Imperial Government) to play a role. It was a kind of inner executive council of the Imperial Diet, made up of the electors, the imperial circles, certain free cities, imperial appointees etc., 22 over all, meeting in Nuremberg.

Depending on the events, this might be seen as the beginning of a vaguely constitutional government of the HRE.
 
Expect the Reichsregiment (Imperial Government) to play a role. It was a kind of inner executive council of the Imperial Diet, made up of the electors, the imperial circles, certain free cities, imperial appointees etc., 22 over all, meeting in Nuremberg.

Depending on the events, this might be seen as the beginning of a vaguely constitutional government of the HRE.

So the emperor has less power then otl? I did not know that was possible
 
In a scenario where Charles marries Anna and she inherits Hungary-Bohemia like OTL that greatly shifts the weight of the Habsburg Dynasty back East so it remains centered on Germany. Charles will be unlikely to move his court to Spain because that would put him far away from his largest European block of territory and away from his Grandest Title. The Castillian Cortes will not like that at all.

In this case Charles will likely have to divide his inheritance amongst sons at Spanish Insistence. Hopefully Anna will give him more children, because trying to rule this entire mess from a single court will likely fail.

Alternatively, Ferdinand of Aragon had been trying to get a different Male Heir to avoid Aragon passing to Charles, with the PoD before his death he might succeed. Castile in this case may rebel. Since Ferdinand does in theory have a claim to Castile from King John I of Castile, they may try to make him King of Castile. Since he has also technically been King of Castile, that probably succeeds.

This relegates the Habsburgs to their OTL Austrian Lands, Bohemia-Hungary, the Burgundian Inheritance, and depending on how the chips fall, the Duchy of Milan. While on Paper this looks like a reduction in power, they avoid becoming the Unavoidable Enemy of France, don't have the Naval Rivalry with England, may keep the Netherlands, and in general have a much more coherent set of territories.

OTL House of Aragon had a claim on Naples but not on Milan. Milan is an Imperial fief who Emperor Karl V, after the extintion of the Sforza's dynasty, rulers of Milan, gave as fief to his own son, the future Philip II of Spain. Before that Spain had no claim of any kind on Milan so if things go like OTL at the extintion of the actual ruling dynasty Milan will be likely assigned by the Emperor to one of his sons
 
OTL House of Aragon had a claim on Naples but not on Milan. Milan is an Imperial fief who Emperor Karl V, after the extintion of the Sforza's dynasty, rulers of Milan, gave as fief to his own son, the future Philip II of Spain. Before that Spain had no claim of any kind on Milan so if things go like OTL at the extintion of the actual ruling dynasty Milan will be likely assigned by the Emperor to one of his sons

So the Hapsburgs still get Milan? Sweet
 
So the Hapsburgs still get Milan? Sweet
Well the claimants were the French (the Valois-Orleans branch, who had a claim, constrasting that of the Sforzas, as heirs of Valentina Visconti, (daughter of a Duke of Milan of the precedent dynasty) or the Sforzas (Francesco I, the first Sforza ruler of Milan had married the illegitimate but recognized daughter of the last Duke and then conquered the city; his younger son Ludovico il Moro ruled the city first as regent for his nephew and because he was a good and powerful when that nephew died he was able to became Duke (instead of the late Duke very young son) and he was the first Sforza recognized by the Holy Roman Emperor as Duke of Milan. After him the city was either ruled by the French or when in Imperial Hands by Ludovico's sons and after the death of the younger son without heirs the Emkperor was free to name another Duke of Milan
 
The fate of Milan is very much so uncertain, that's what my "Depending on how the Chips Fall" comment was about. If France and the new Ferdinand Ruled Spain I suggested ally to divide Italy between them, they could defeat Charles.

Of course such an alliance would also likely drive the other Italian States, in particular the Pope, into an alliance with Charles, and it would not be impossible for Charles and this new Coalition to defeat the Franco-Spanish Armies.

It also is rather likely for France and Spain, growing wary of each other, to turn on each other and let an Opportunistic Austria seize Milan.

Basically, with this sort of PoD, and the general Kerfuffle that was The Italian Wars, a writer would basically be able to shift the fate of Milan to whatever they want and it would depend purely on how well they write it whether it comes off as plausible or not.
 
So the emperor has less power then otl? I did not know that was possible

The political weakness of the emperor-as-emperor really started in the 17th century. Before that, it is often overstated how little the imprial power could do.
So yes, having an government starffed by the estates of the HRE instead of a viceregal "cabinet" ful of imperial appointees is a definite limitation of existing imperial power.
 
Well the claimants were the French (the Valois-Orleans branch, who had a claim, constrasting that of the Sforzas, as heirs of Valentina Visconti, (daughter of a Duke of Milan of the precedent dynasty) or the Sforzas (Francesco I, the first Sforza ruler of Milan had married the illegitimate but recognized daughter of the last Duke and then conquered the city; his younger son Ludovico il Moro ruled the city first as regent for his nephew and because he was a good and powerful when that nephew died he was able to became Duke (instead of the late Duke very young son) and he was the first Sforza recognized by the Holy Roman Emperor as Duke of Milan. After him the city was either ruled by the French or when in Imperial Hands by Ludovico's sons and after the death of the younger son without heirs the Emkperor was free to name another Duke of Milan
Charles would still probley name his son duke of milan wouldn't he
 
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